Wraptor talk

Ekka · Feb 11, 2010

treevet said:
What you do not get is the descent is already on the machine. Just as in the Swiss machine you mention. Don't you get it?????

You can zip up above a dead limb with the machine and you need no transfer whatsoever. You just rapel off of the tie in on the machine. You can essentially reverse your progress at any time leaving the machine behind (in mid air even). You have to put on a figure 8 or descender of some kind and change over.

Here we go again, I think you just cant comprehend. Even in Jerry's video we see him with a Drt system hanging off the device. But that is NOT THE SAME as reversing the motor or direction to come down is it (as per the Swiss electric)? For instance, you Drt down 30' but decide you need to go back up, the machine is 30' above you, you'll have to hump it up.

This is what I wrote:-

Ekka said:
Lordy, here I'll help you.

So, does the Wraptor ascend 1 piece of rope, like does only 1 piece of rope go in the spool? If that's the case then it's the same, it is a single line ascender and how you manipulate to get DRT will be the same for other machines.

The only one that is truly different is the Swiss electric version as that does go in reverse, so you can ascend, flick a reverse switch on the electric motor and it will descend ... no gadgets or gear required.

The petrol model like a car cannot run the engine in reverse, to run the drive in reverse you need (like a car) a reverse gear, which I doubt the Wraptor has.

And you have dodged the issue. Here's my posts regarding it.

Ekka said:
Lordy, and he's at it again. What did I just write? Your logic is like saying a different descent method has to be used depending on the saddle you are wearing, sheesh mate, get some help!

As you can all see (except Treevet) there's many ways and none are unique to either machine.

With the method I use the machine is always within reach, right where I am working, I need to go up and it's throttle away, need to come down I just slide my prussic ... have you figured that out yet?

Now regarding this rubbish:- My comments will be in red here because you are way off track.

treevet said:
The subject was cabling and you trying force feed the rubber band cabling system on a knowing audience and was made to look silly from lack of experience and knowledge.

What force feeding, I posted a picture of a fall arrest system, you slammed that system until you found out it was Sean Freeman's job, then you did a backflip, sucked up Sean's butt and even then boasted how you install those, but not long after did another backflip.

I was right as well about your arrogant behavior and know it all attitude that had led to the banning of most of your high level members on your own forum by dictator you

They get banned for a reason, and the common denominator is the low life conduct, such as you are displaying here, name calling, belligerence, inaccuracies, lies etc. There's more to be assessed than a persons qualifications, no matter who you are. The place is booming, has outstripped Dunlap's boghole, left TH in the dust and shown the Poms how little they know, it appears people actually enjoy not having the types of brawls there that happen like in this thread.

We know each other much better than you would lead one to believe, don't we.

And this is why you cannot be trusted, because you backflip all over town and what was held in confidence by you will be blurted out for your own perceived personal gains. You are volatile and untrustworthy, even in the face of adversity and what you do I keep my secret, what was said or written I keep in confidence ... but you aren't of that caliber hence why you were booted out of the Confidential forum. You are not banned though, I'm bigger than that, with you I just have to present the facts and the readers can see you for what you are.

Your behaviour and carry on in this thread a perfect example.

I can see why you have been reading books for 40 years and have no clue as to what you have read.... comprehension issues.

D Mc · Feb 11, 2010

I'm not sure, but I think you misunderstood my intent. The reason we still use gas powered tools in the field is because of their cost to power ratio. Many things will probably eventually be electric, but as of yet, the cost is still too high comparatively to gas power.

They do make rope ascenders that are electric. They cost the world. I have never used a Wraptor. Have you?

I have heard long discussions from people who have used the Wraptor and cannot remember ever hearing complaints about breathing the exhaust fumes. I am assuming it will be similar to other gas power heads that we use and that a few inches of movement generally opens you up for clear air.

I am well aware of what can happen to a body after 40 plus years of climbing trees. Currently, my preferred entry method is single rope access with the frogwalker system and a Unicender. Why? Because it is ridiculously easy.

Dave

treevet · Feb 11, 2010

D Mc said:
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a few inches of movement generally opens you up for clear air.

Dave

This is accurate IMO.....you leave the fumes behind you.

rbtree · Feb 12, 2010

John Paul Sanborn said:
So that site is real popular now? Wow, I thought he was going into the pokie.

whatever gave you that idea.

treevet · Feb 12, 2010

rbtree said:
whatever gave you that idea.

Eric Frei (Ekka) said (and referenced on his site with media quotes) that he was indicted and convicted for (this is from memory)....child ####.(pohrn)

treevet · Feb 12, 2010

Ekka said:
Here we go again, I think you just cant comprehend. Even in Jerry's video we see him with a Drt system hanging off the device. But that is NOT THE SAME as reversing the motor or direction to come down is it (as per the Swiss electric)? For instance, you Drt down 30' but decide you need to go back up, the machine is 30' above you, you'll have to hump it up.

This is what I wrote:-

And you have dodged the issue. Here's my posts regarding it.

As you can all see (except Treevet) there's many ways and none are unique to either machine.

With the method I use the machine is always within reach, right where I am working, I need to go up and it's throttle away, need to come down I just slide my prussic ... have you figured that out yet?

Now regarding this rubbish:- My comments will be in red here because you are way off track.

1. Never installed a rubber cable and never said that. Plead guilty to liking Sean Freeman (alot) but NEVER flip flopped (give quote)

2. For the record, to name a few, why did you ban Treeseer.....DMc....SMc....OutofMyTree....? I know why and was there but would like to hear your side. (Don't remember if you actually banned Roger but he was in the doghouse for referring to you as Pekka)

3. You keep referring to me as backflipping and linking dolphins as flipping over etc. with your usual monkey picture referring to me.....link or reference exactly where I "backflipped" on opinion (esp. in cabling discussion.

Too tired from work to address this yesterday. (dodged the issue as you said)

ps. what IS unique to the Wraptor machine IMO is that it has a built in crotch to rapel from. Didn't notice one in the video.

OTG BOSTON · Feb 12, 2010

treevet said:
Eric Frei (Ekka) said (and referenced on his site with media quotes) that he was indicted and convicted for (this is from memory)....child ####.(pohrn)

Don't believe everything you read on the net.

treevet · Feb 12, 2010

OTG BOSTON said:
Don't believe everything you read on the net.

Didn't say I believed it Boston.

OTG BOSTON · Feb 12, 2010

treevet said:
ps. what IS unique to the Wraptor machine IMO is that it has a built in crotch to rapel from. Didn't notice one in the video.

with a back up...but you'll figure that out when you get yours

OTG BOSTON · Feb 12, 2010

treevet said:
Didn't say I believed it Boston.

You may call me OTG :laugh:

treevet · Feb 12, 2010

OTG BOSTON said:
with a back up...but you'll figure that out when you get yours

Yeah, already got mine and forgot....don't think theirs had an ascender back up in front of the machine with an attachment to the saddle built in.

Ekka · Feb 12, 2010

My comments in red.

treevet said:
1. Never installed a rubber cable and never said that. Plead guilty to liking Sean Freeman (alot) but NEVER flip flopped (give quote)

Who is talking about rubber cables? No-one, just you. We were talking about dynamic systems, you then coined the phrase "rubber cables".

Lets look at the flip flop then as you obviously cannot.

I have them both below, pretty obvious.

treevet said:

That picture is one of the silliest excuses for "treatment" I have ever witnessed. A few words come to mind...false sense of security (and make pretend you are coughing while you say this.....rrrrrippppofffff). All the little kiddies can play under this tree with no worries now? Mommy and Daddy's precious little gems are safe and sound (ha).

Sort of supporting perceived structural flaws around here would end you up in front of the judge with a huge liable case eventually. Dynamic cabling is a scam.

Click to expand...

Now watch the back flip when he discovers it was Sean's picture.

treevet said:

I have also put in capture mechanisms by just using a half inch line from the stem to a defected limb and running bolen it on both ends so as not to cause restriction on either end but if it was to fail it would hold the bulk of it up in the air until I could go up and bring it safely down.

Click to expand...

2. For the record, to name a few, why did you ban Treeseer.....DMc....SMc....OutofMyTree....? I know why and was there but would like to hear your side. (Don't remember if you actually banned Roger but he was in the doghouse for referring to you as Pekka)

You know what's funny, on this site you get infracted or banned for discussing moderation or why others get banned, yet according to you and a few rebels I'm some sort of dictator eh.

I knew real early in the piece how you work with ole Len Phillips scenario that occured. You certainly have a typical way about getting everyone elses story first then adding your own bits and then making your mind up. At the end of the day they can stay here, I like that, less polution elsewhere .... and Roger does say stuff behind the scenes (yawn), and I questioned him on it because you know .... I don't think much of people who go around backstabbing to be in with a crowd.

If you have a criminal record or even piss off customs here, you dont get in. Many countries simply wont let people in who have done the wrong thing elsewhere. USA for instance stopped an Australian mother from holidaying because she stole a bar mat in Thailand. So in the same vein if I get tipped off of some-one running their mouth about me I too have the right to get rid of them. I don't want a forum full of arguing, name calling, bullying and backstabbing etc. I want to talk arboriculture but it appears many want to fight, and many from an ignorant perspective.... just like you exhibit here.

3. You keep referring to me as backflipping and linking dolphins as flipping over etc. with your usual monkey picture referring to me.....link or reference exactly where I "backflipped" on opinion (esp. in cabling discussion.

Too tired from work to address this yesterday. (dodged the issue as you said)

ps. what IS unique to the Wraptor machine IMO is that it has a built in crotch to rapel from. Didn't notice one in the video.

PME has two holes to use, if that's what turns you on ... but assuming things is what you do and I get tired of having to defend or point out from false accusations.

Another example of backflipping here, it's a ripper, shows how little you comprehend about what you read. Anyone can copy or quote text, but doesn't mean you actually understand what is written. Then you have the classic evidence, the proof to back it up, which there seems to be an abundant lack of however I think I conjured up the best evidence to support a theory till proven otherwise, hey perhaps there's 5 walls anyway? ... Pluto was also a planet up until 2006, things change you know, concepts, ideas, understanding, rationale etc

And for the record regarding MB's charges, here's the article.

And in case that link goes down here's another.... you see, when the Town Talk article went down (as things do on the net over time) MB actually emailed me with a smugg comment how it's all gone and I'm full of crap ... so I found two more. Some people are funny like that, once the article is gone "it never happened" and you're the bad guy for posting lies or something. It's a fact Jack, and if you go to the Rapides Court House you'll get his rap sheet for $10, has 4 charges on it.

But regardless, there's those that believe it's all not true.

OTG BOSTON · Feb 12, 2010

The key word in those articles is 'allegedly' Eric....you are a deeply disturbed man.

Ekka · Feb 12, 2010

OTG BOSTON said:
The key word in those articles is 'allegedly' Eric....you are a deeply disturbed man.

Oh I see, another genius. I am deeply disturbed because I found an article, interesting Dr Freud. In fact the original article at Town Talk Newspaper I never found, I was emailed about it by a concerned person whom I will never reveal the indentity of because I'm not like some of the people here.

Any of you gonna get his rap sheet or ya too tight to get the truth? They have 4 convictions on file for him .... well that's what they told me when I contacted them.

Get Boyd Edgar Ballowe 2 born 22 May 1956 I think rap sheet from the courthouse.

And allegedly, so what, fact is they got the haul out of his home, in the presence of minors and drugs present whilst on bail for $50K for drugs ... that's the facts and how the law deals with it who cares, join the dots. :rockn:

treevet · Feb 12, 2010

Ekka said:
My comments in red.[/COLOR

As usual you interpret comments to suit your own needs.....Just how does it constitute a backflip to disagree with Sean on "elastic...(ok?)" cables but then agree with him that I have, on occasion "attached" defective branches to a main stem with "half inch line"???? Later I told him that I do not agree with dynamic/elastic cabling but we just "have a difference of opinion".

As for CODIT, I know you have based your entire forum on your esoteric understanding of WALL FOUR and we have been over this a thousand times and this thread is not the place to thrash it out again (this is why DMc and SMc were banned on your forum and maybe even OOMT). I studied the CODIT system with Shigo under a microscope with only 24 other students in week long seminars so I have a pretty good understanding of what HE understood the process to be, and he DISCOVERED the process and invented the acronym to teach it. I am the one that TAUGHT you to recognize it (wall 4) by looking at hollow trees.

Do you remember pm ing me asking for information on CODIT for something you were working on???? You will likely lie and say no.

I am not derailing this thread further with a pissing contest with you but will continue to defend myself against the dictator as he is impotent on this forum and cannot ban everyone that disagrees with him.

PS... How'd you work Len Phillips into this? Isn't he another one you booted?

OTG BOSTON · Feb 12, 2010

Ekka said:
Oh I see, another genius. I am deeply disturbed because I found an article, interesting Dr Freud.

Its disturbing because you continue to bring it up and post about it. Strange fascination IMHO....

Ekka · Feb 12, 2010

treevet said:
Do you remember pm ing me asking for information on CODIT for something you were working on???? You will likely lie and say no.

I am not derailing this thread further with a pissing contest with you but will continue to defend myself against the dictator as he is impotent on this forum and cannot ban everyone that disagrees with him.

PS... How'd you work Len Phillips into this? Isn't he another one you booted?

Oh Treevet, you are so predictable and fiesty, but confused.

Yes I PM'd you about CODIT, so what. I PM and email many people and ask many questions ... asking questions is a sign of intelligence, you should try it sometime. :laugh:

You know, some dumb people actually think that when you ask a question you don't know the answer ... now before you huff and puff realise that when you assess people or train you are always asking questions but it doesn't mean you dont know the answer.

I just ban the people that cant debate without name calling and carrying on like they're in a school yard. You'll be surprised how many there are.

Why would Len Phillips be banned? You assume far too much eh. Len ran his site like crap, and he was too proud to admit it, but he has revamped it now. Fancy using server space as a excuse not to leave articles online under the same URL, hopeless web management techniques he had and caused issues with linking to his articles. Considering it was a one way street and he had his hand up for money faster than a Nazi in parade I decided the "deal" was off, one way deal anyway but thats pretty typical doing business with most sites.

There's no pissing contest here, what I am doing is pointing out all the flaws in your reasoning and comprehension .... obvious to many readers from the emails and PM's I'm getting, seems many want you dealt with but need some-one further away to do it. The funny thing about me TV is I don't have to lie, the world and people are crazy enough without me having to add to it, you just really have to read and listen to what they say and remember it. Crap like fat ass, impotent, lesbian, communist, blue collar redneck ******, dictator, fascist and on and on the list goes that people love to call me ....

.... do I care? Nope, do people think much of those comments and the authors of them? Nope. Some day you will see the light, till then bask in your ignorance ... the joke is on you. :laugh:

Ekka · Feb 12, 2010

OTG BOSTON said:
Its disturbing because you continue to bring it up and post about it. Strange fascination IMHO....

Well well well, it must be in the water over there. :bang:

I continue to bring it up?

Now Dr Freud have a look at all the posts that touched on it before I had to set the score straight.

John Paul Sanborn said:
So that site is real popular now? Wow, I thought he was going into the pokie.

OTG BOSTON said:
Its funny how smoothly things go when trolls get the quick boot

treevet said:
You mean on the Treehack or here?

tree MDS said:
I thought that Butch guy seemed like a good dude.

OTG BOSTON said:
answer your own question...the wraptor was developed with input from members of which site?

and seriously...you resort to name calling.....a bit childish dontcha think?

rbtree said:
whatever gave you that idea.

treevet said:
Eric Frei (Ekka) said (and referenced on his site with media quotes) that he was indicted and convicted for (this is from memory)....child ####.(pohrn)

OTG BOSTON said:
Don't believe everything you read on the net.

So somehow lets all blame it on ekka once again, I get roped in and then I post the evidence and then I get slammed for it with more name calling and posts saying I have problems.

Surely you aint all this dumb over there are ya? :laugh:

OTG BOSTON · Feb 12, 2010

Apples and oranges....I wonder how many times you've posted that link 20? 50?

I hope to get the chance to meet you someday so I can be enlightened in person. Perhaps the ITCC down under?

treevet · Feb 12, 2010

Ekka said:
.... obvious to many readers from the emails and PM's I'm getting, seems many want you dealt with but need some-one further away to do it.

typical ploy from someone on the run. Painted into a corner what else is there to do but say everyone is on my side against you. I received an Pm yesterday and today today from one of the ones you banned sent to one of your site moderators (copied me in). Seems he may be intimidated by you (why be intimidated by a little pot bellied guy a million miles away that used to repossess cars a few years ago prior to becoming a forum owner/sometimes treeman?).....anywho....seems this guy just linked a informational from the largest tree industry organizationa in the world to help in the thread. Welllllll, you'd think they guy attacked the shores down under. All the mods joined in on a gang bang and the guy was punted across the pond to another continent.

The joke is not on you (you're too dense to get it) you are actually the joke. :hmm3grin2orange:

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