Wraptor talk

[treevet]

Also I believe this information answers TreeVets derogatory and ignorant remarks from another thread. :monkey:

Taken out of context (but with your usual trademark monkey picture)

 

[arborworks1]

What happens if the guy needs to get of the tree fast, his climb line is not tied to the machine?

 

[Ekka]

For a product that has been out since 1997 to still cost 9600 bucks and Ropetek can produce it for 2500 bucks.
I could buy the a small stumper for 7 grand. And still ride to the top!

I'm not discussing pricing or marketing, just pointing out that the product is not new out there, that there was a pre-existing product.

You can go to China and buy chainsaws, are they the same as the $1500 Stihl?

Because a Bugatti Veyron costs $2million and you could buy a Chevy Corvette for $58,000 and a hundred stump grinders it doesn't make the manufacturer of the Bugatti Veyron any less competent or inferior does it? Of course not, if anything it would be superior.

Do you know why the PME doesn't sell in USA? Something to do with products liability insurance etc, I do not exactly know however the manufacturer has said insurance issues were the problem. I'm sure they'd love a share of the USA market but also having a similar product without competition is a good thing for the Wraptor.

The author of that promo video doesn't publish my comments neither the birdhouse, it's one of the best kept secrets but for the record I think it's important people know that it's obvious there has been some copying going on.

 

[Ekka]

Taken out of context (but with your usual trademark monkey picture)

What is out of context when you say I can only access a tree with spikes on?

More backflips eh.

 

[treevet]

What is out of context when you say I can only access a tree with spikes on?

More backflips eh.

I think that was said after you told me I knew nothing about cabling when in reality I have been cabling for over 40 years and installed well over 2,000 cables.

I said that in conjunction with the fact that you likely just took a brief course on cabling as now you profess to be the expert where prior to that you told me you had no need to cable and never put any in..

You took my statement out of the context of the thread.

Your comments were derogatory and ignorant as well.

 

[Ekka]

What happens if the guy needs to get of the tree fast, his climb line is not tied to the machine?

Install a single line over a crotch, tie off to a lowering or belay device that is anchored to the tree. Put the ascender on the short end, tail end of the rope, power on up.

Oops, something wrong I need to come down, a groundy can lower you.

Another option is (the little bag ontop of the PME device has the stuff in it) putting in a descender (like Gri Gri etc) to hold you to the rope above the device, take up slack, remove device from SRT rope and come on down. All of the stuff and instructions come with the device but I just go the groundy option most the time.

How about this one too which I do alone.

Set up Cambium Saver and install rope as per normal, ascend tree with device. I need to come down so I make sure there's tons of rope on the non working side, install descender (figure 8 or prussic) and come on down.

There's many ways, you use the best method for the day and the one you are comfortable with, a no brainer.

 

[treevet]

Install a single line over a crotch, tie off to a lowering or belay device that is anchored to the tree. Put the ascender on the short end, tail end of the rope, power on up.

Oops, something wrong I need to come down, a groundy can lower you.

Another option is (the little bag ontop of the PME device has the stuff in it) putting in a descender (like Gri Gri etc) to hold you to the rope above the device, take up slack, remove device from SRT rope and come on down. All of the stuff and instructions come with the device but I just go the groundy option most the time.

How about this one too which I do alone.

Set up Cambium Saver and install rope as per normal, ascend tree with device. I need to come down so I make sure there's tons of rope on the non working side, install descender (figure 8 or prussic) and come on down.

There's many ways, you use the best method for the day and the one you are comfortable with, a no brainer.

Much easier with the Wraptor and no need for assistant. You can actually do the work off of the wraptor and then lower it yourself.

 

[Ekka]

I think that was said after you told me I knew nothing about cabling when in reality I have been cabling for over 40 years and installed well over 2,000 cables.

Wrong again, seems you defintely have a comprehension problem.

I wrote:-

You have poor knowledge of dyanamic systems

It's there for all to see but interesting how often you mince things up in your head then get DEROGATORY.

Then from that you deduce that I can only climb trees with spikes on, that's a pretty serious defect in rational thinking.

 

[treevet]

Wrong again, seems you defintely have a comprehension problem.

I wrote:-



It's there for all to see but interesting how often you mince things up in your head then get DEROGATORY.

Then from that you deduce that I can only climb trees with spikes on, that's a pretty serious defect in rational thinking.

You are making an incorrect reference. As for the spikes reference my rational thinking involved that you did not have a motorized ascender last time I was aware of it (maybe you have one now, maybe not) AND if not, you probably couldn't get your fat ass up a tree without spikes which is protocol in cabling.

Where is the fault in that rational thinking?

 

[Ekka]

Much easier with the Wraptor and no need for assistant. You can actually do the work off of the wraptor and then lower it yourself.

Lordy, and he's at it again. What did I just write? Your logic is like saying a different descent method has to be used depending on the saddle you are wearing, sheesh mate, get some help!

Of course you can work off the device then come back down SRT, that was explained... but also mentioned was that there were many ways, think it through.

The last few minutes of Jerry's video also shows options.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icopDhMjubU

 

[John464]

Another thing to think about is you are moving pretty fast so the fumes are not staying right in your face.

the fumes are being blown right into the air you are inhaling. to operate a chainsaw safely you should not be holding it so close to your face. sure you will still breath them in.

There are people who smoke a pack a day and smoke two packs a day. The ones who smoke two packs a day have done more damage to themselves. Exhaust fumes are even more toxic to your lungs than cigarette smoke. I see tools to make our jobs easier climbing, to enhance our life and health. If we care about the health of trees, how about we care about our own health while working on them? This device will help reduce hip and joint failure, but increase lung issues. Its a trade off, that can be resolved by designing it electrically powered.

 

[treevet]

Of course you can work off the device then come back down SRT, that was explained... but also mentioned was that there were many ways, think it through.
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No need to change anything with the wraptor, you are already in drt for descent. With your machine you have change from the machine to descend on srt. Had one for weeks don't need to view any videos. You'll figure it out.

 

[Ekka]

My comments are in red

You are making an incorrect reference.

I am not and I have showed exactly the text I refer to.

As for the spikes reference my rational thinking involved that you did not have a motorized ascender last time I was aware of it

Hence why it's ASSUMPTIVE AND IGNORANT to behave this way.

(maybe you have one now, maybe not) AND if not, you probably couldn't get your fat ass up a tree without spikes which is protocol in cabling.

You like slagging people off, calling people names. I'm 5'10" and weigh 100kg on the dot, not too fat and also put out the video for trunk walking to spikeless ascend in 2006.

Where is the fault in that rational thinking?

As you can see, there's lots of problems, but I suppose those problems suit your aggression and motives. You like to degrade people even when you know little about them.

 

[Ekka]

No need to change anything with the wraptor, you are already in drt for descent. With your machine you have change from the machine to descend on srt. Had one for weeks don't need to view any videos. You'll figure it out.

Lordy, here I'll help you.

So, does the Wraptor ascend 1 piece of rope, like does only 1 piece of rope go in the spool? If that's the case then it's the same, it is a single line ascender and how you manipulate to get DRT will be the same for other machines.

The only one that is truly different is the Swiss electric version as that does go in reverse, so you can ascend, flick a reverse switch on the electric motor and it will descend ... no gadgets or gear required.

The petrol model like a car cannot run the engine in reverse, to run the drive in reverse you need (like a car) a reverse gear, which I doubt the Wraptor has.

 

[treevet]

My comments are in red



As you can see, there's lots of problems, but I suppose those problems suit your aggression and motives. You like to degrade people even when you know little about them.

Your comment you exhibited as "You have a poor knowledge of dynamic systems" was not the one I referred to. The one I referred to was

"But you pass off opinion on a few things you know little about, like this subject"

It is there in the thread for all to see just as you said.

 

[Ekka]

Your comment you exhibited as "You have a poor knowledge of dynamic systems" was not the one I referred to. The one I referred to was

"But you pass off opinion on a few things you know little about, like this subject"

It is there in the thread for all to see just as you said.

And the subject at hand was the use of dynamic systems within that thread. Dang you must have a flexible back doing all those flips eh.

I was also dead right about you passing off opinions on things you know little about as has been displayed here with your derogatory remarks and my spurless access. :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[treevet]

Lordy, here I'll help you.

So, does the Wraptor ascend 1 piece of rope, like does only 1 piece of rope go in the spool? If that's the case then it's the same, it is a single line ascender and how you manipulate to get DRT will be the same for other machines.

The only one that is truly different is the Swiss electric version as that does go in reverse, so you can ascend, flick a reverse switch on the electric motor and it will descend ... no gadgets or gear required.

The petrol model like a car cannot run the engine in reverse, to run the drive in reverse you need (like a car) a reverse gear, which I doubt the Wraptor has.

What you do not get is the descent is already on the machine. Just as in the Swiss machine you mention. Don't you get it?????

You can zip up above a dead limb with the machine and you need no transfer whatsoever. You just rapel off of the tie in on the machine. You can essentially reverse your progress at any time leaving the machine behind (in mid air even). You have to put on a figure 8 or descender of some kind and change over.

 

[treevet]

And the subject at hand was the use of dynamic systems within that thread. Dang you must have a flexible back doing all those flips eh.

I was also dead right about you passing off opinions on things you know little about as has been displayed here with your derogatory remarks and my spurless access. :hmm3grin2orange:

The subject was cabling and you trying force feed the rubber band cabling system on a knowing audience and was made to look silly from lack of experience and knowledge.

I was right as well about your arrogant behavior and know it all attitude that had led to the banning of most of your high level members on your own forum by dictator you and likely had to do with the demise of your marriage.

We know each other much better than you would lead one to believe, don't we.

 

[arborworks1]

Wraptor is the subject, take your cabling ##### somewhere else.

Price is big deal to me, 7k is a huge difference. I guarantee I could get the australian version in the US If I wanted it bad enough.


But what makes that anybetter than the wraptor, Same design principal.

Someone is raping you all.

 

[treevet]

Wraptor is the subject, take your cabling ##### somewhere else.
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From Wraptor demo expert to Moderator in one fell swoop. You never fail to amaze me.