The Case for Ultra!

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

Here are some pics of my latest project, an 009 "Super Mag." I got a nice 012 today, the first good one out of three I have. Original owner, even had the owner's manual. A little dribble of Ultra mix on the reed, and it ran on the first pull! Smoked like a 40 year old diesel in need of an overhaul, though. You will soon see why. First some general pics, sized for fast loading.

There was no removing this nut, the handle is too close to it, glad the rubber mount wasn't too tight.

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

Disassembly Process:

I am being careful to put all the spare pieces back together, in case someone wants an 012 handle set. Notice it is a weird handle setup, with FIVE screws holding the handle cover on. AV setup is very effective, but bulky and weird. I will much prefer the compact 009 handle on this little unit.

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

The Process Continues....

The recoil cover has likely never been removed, or the screws have been epoxied in!

I dig out my old motorcycle case impact driver, but the only slotted bit is in a screwdriver, and I need to cut it with a dremel. PITA!

No, wait. There is a better way to do this:

Worked like a charm. This is one dirty saw.

Gotta protect the carb throat from debris.

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

Just how dirty is it?

Look! A dual port muffler!

Hmmm. Were we run a bit rich?

Quite a buildup of crud here. Auxiliary port is completely blocked!

Soon there will be a cleansing. A cleansing of fire.

Good thing the exhaust fan goes out of the house...

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

Red hot screen cleaning.

Very effective. Thanks, Andy!

Baptize the muffler for a few days.......

Keep track so I know what is in there.

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

Wish my camera focus area was more predictable.
Check out the thick deposits! THREE MM THICK! Wish the previous owner had used Ultra.... oh, I guess it hadn't yet come out when this saw was built.

Protect the bore with some aluminum tape.....

A lot of work with bamboo skewers, and some CRC electric parts cleaner, and the saw is a pound or two lighter!

Ready to pop the bore off. Hmmm. Who can predict what happens next?

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

Wow! Golly! Look whut I done found!

Wheeeeeeeeeeee! I think there were twelve of them, :cry:

I managed to find seven! :clap:

Just a bit of play in the big end con rod........ :dizzy:

You know, I had to pull the jug.

Must be some good squish space above this piston.....

I thought about just running it wth Ultra for a while, but I didn't want to take any chances.

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

Piston is definitely usable.

Looks good to me, except for that carbon calcium buildup.... :dizzy:

Yessir, pretty good for an old "occasional use" saw..... Wait till you see the sprocket spur. This feller has seen some use, I'd say.

The case for Ultra. I rest my case.

Mama Tried · Apr 21, 2009

wow, mine looked new compared to that.....

HimWill · Apr 21, 2009

Charge up those camera batteries and keep on going!Hope the rest of the rod bearings are still in the case.

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

HimWill said:
Charge up those camera batteries and keep on going!Hope the rest of the rod bearings are still in the case.

They're not. They are on the floor, along with a throttle rod for an 056 Mag 2.
Funny thing, I was gonna do this over a big plastic tub; I remembered this would happen when I heard that little clinking sound of small bits of high-grade steel hitting concrete.

HimWill · Apr 21, 2009

Bad break.I don't know about your saw,but an older 021 has 14 rollers.Don't ask me how I found this out.

teacherman · Apr 21, 2009

HimWill said:
Bad break.I don't know about your saw,but an older 021 has 14 rollers.Don't ask me how I found this out.

I'm sure they are stihl available, and probably affordable. This is gonna be one cool saw when I get done with it. Course it would be nice if it were like new, but I got it for a reasonable price, and it is mechanically in good condition.

I have an 011 I did this to, and it is surprisingly powerful with a 12" bar. I will have to run a minimum of 14 on this one when I get it going. 45 cc of reed valve torque in a compact handle configuration. Sound is cool, too.

HimWill · Apr 21, 2009

I agree with you,that saw will rebuild nicely.Funny how running a rich oil mix will gunk one up and yet still leave you good parts to rebuild after cleaning up.Kinda makes me lean toward 32-1(OOPS,that's off topic).When I had to deal with some errant rollers ,I put a strong bar magnet into an old sock tied on the end of a broom handle.I "pretended" to dust around and the silly little things jumped on for the free ride.They were then returned to their previous state of servitude.

wigglesworth · Apr 21, 2009

If the handle will fit my 011, pm me what you want for it. Or at least the rubber buffer. By the way, good pics. I wish i would had taken pics of my 011 rebuild. And good luck with the bearings, they can be a pain, I used grease and lots of it to hold them in.

wigglesworth · Apr 21, 2009

If you port the exhaust and gut the muffler, you can run a 16" if you want. My 011 pulls a 16" pretty good now. Granted its no race saw, but it doesnt bog when you push on it. :clap:

teacherman · Apr 22, 2009

wigglesworth said:
If the handle will fit my 011, pm me what you want for it. Or at least the rubber buffer. By the way, good pics. I wish i would had taken pics of my 011 rebuild. And good luck with the bearings, they can be a pain, I used grease and lots of it to hold them in.

So you want the rear handle assembly? Is yours an AVT? Shorter cable, a bit more responsive. What parts you looking for? I was thinking of keeping the assembly together. The AV mounts are OK, but not like new. 009, 010, 011, 012 are the same saw. ONly difference is the handle, P/C, and the oil pump. 011 and 012 have a slightly different oil pump, but they interchange. All parts interchange. Even used the same carbs.

CHEVYTOWN13 · Apr 22, 2009

Thanks for sharing some grease John. Looks like a cool project.

Can't wait to see the vid.

wigglesworth · Apr 22, 2009

I really only need the front handlebar bottom AV mount. But was willing to take the whole handlebar since you said you couldnt get the mount out. And yes, mine is a top handle. I think it is slowly becoming my favorite little saw. So you like the 009 handle setup better? I would think the vibes would get to me after a while. I might also be interested in the recoil cover, mine is plastic and faded out. I am in the process of painting it, but I dont think the plastic will hold up. Let me know.

willsaw4beer · Apr 22, 2009

Great pics. When I get an 011 that needs gutted this thread will be a great resource. Ultra is great, I've seen it clean a few mm of carbon out of an exhaust port in 5 or so tanks of running the piss out of the saw.

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