026 Carb pulse hose check

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A friend from work asked me to look at his 026. (won't start) Saw is mint low hrs 150 psi compression, strong spark. It runs with gas mix poured in the carb. I tried to pull a vacuum reading on the pulse hose with a mity vac pump, while still attached (the pulse hose) to the crankcase. There is no vacuum. Does the piston have to be all the way down? Do I have to remove the pulse hose to properly check it? Do I need to remove the tank/handle to do this? Any tips/help appreciated, Thank You in advance, Mike.
 
It sounds like you are trying to vacuum test the crankcase and oil seals through the impulse line?

Have you completely sealed off the exhaust side and intake side?

If you don't have the Stihl carb replacement test flange, then I would take the tank off. I use a small piece of bicycle inner tube and place it over the intake, then put the intake manifold back on and clamp it down, to make it airtight. Then you need to close off the exhaust port. I took a small piece of metal, put a metal muffler gasket on top of it, marked the screw hole locations and drilled the two holes. Then put some rubber gasket material on the inside and screw that onto the exhaust to seal it off. Then I hook a line to the impulse port on the crankcase. I do vacuum and pressure tests from here. Stihl service manuals recommend the piston be at/about TDC.

Hope that's what you were asking. If not sorry for being long winded.

Tom
 
Re pulse hose test.

Thank You, Thompson 1600. I guess ultimately I am doing as you said. But since the saw is like new. I wondering more about the pulse hose intigrity, more than crank seals. I guess I should just remove the hose. Mike.
 
If you can get in and pull the impulse line off the crankcase, you could plug that end with a screw and try to pressure test it for leaks from the tank/carb end. Soapy water and a pressure tester will let you know.

Tom
 
Have you checked the fuel filter and line, check inside the the carb, there is an inlet screen that can get fine debris in it and cause a no start problem.

Larry
 
Re pulse hose test.

Yes; checked the fuel filter, and carb inlet screen, is spotless. Really seems like the fuel is not being pumped. Also the pulse tube only covers about half of the length of the barbed tube off of the carb. Tube just covers the two barbs (barely) and the rest (1/4") of the metal tube is not covered. Would like to see it cover to the elbow. Thank You, Mike.
 
You are assuming something to be the problem, that is likely not any problem at all.
You need to go through the carb properly, first. Take it apart again, this time remove
the needle and blow out that passage, and visually verify that it is clear. And blow out the other passages you see as well.
If you had a leaky fuel line or impulse, the saw would still run, squirrelly, but would
run a little on its own. It sounds like the needle is stuck, or the passage is completely blocked.
 
what Fish said, plus...

The outlet valve is a tiny plastic disk hidden in the brass knob that stick down into the carb, and can stick closed (gummy evaporated fuel) if the saw hasn't been used for a long time. Try soaking the entire carb in White Spirit (Coleman Stove Fluid) overnight. If you have access to an ultrasonic cleaner, just a couple of minutes will do it. With the ultrasonic cleaner, I've resurrected many carbs that the other guys threw into a box year ago in disgust after trying to fix them. You can get one suitable for carbs on ebay for about $50-70.


After carb, the most common reason for an 026 not to starting is a complete failure of a crank seal. I'm not talking abut a "leaky seal", but one where the lips are gone. I figure this happen of the flywheel side 10X more than the clutch side because it's a bone dry environment, and the dust grinds away.

Before you bury yourself in the carb, check the seal under the flywheel by my quick-and-dirty pressure test. This will test the impulse line, boot and crankcase integrity. Move the piston up to just before TDC so it covers the exhaust port, (spray a little light oil in spark plug hole first and cycle the engine to lube the bore, and replace the plug), place your thumb firmly in the carb boot hole, and pump up the crankcase though the impulse line with a small bulb pump (or whatever you have) to no more than 9 psi. The saw will hold pressure pretty well if all is in order, and you'll be able to hear the crankcase leak if it doens't. Bascialy it won/t hold any presure if the seal is completely toast. I do this all the time before setting up for the "correct" pressure/vac test as it take a few seconds to do in comparison to tearing off the muffler etc etc., particularly on some of the older saws where it can be a real pain...
 
Update

Got it running today. Runs strong and usually starts (cold) first pull! Idles good! Finally had a chance to entirely tear down the carb. It did look clean over all. Only found a tiny bit of residue on the tip of the needle valve for the diaphram. Also slipped a piece of surgical tubing over the pulse line (tighten up the fit) where it meets the carb nipple, as it seemed a sloppy fit and barely catches the second barb. Lakeside53 thank you for the idea to rough check the vac/pressure. Thank You, to rest of you for your input! Mike
 
Which One?

Well I just went out to the garage, to be sure, and checked the pulse hose on my 024 Super, and it also, seems too short. So I'll say cleaning and blowing out the carb (as clean as it seemed) solved it. Thanks, Mike.
 
I got respect for ya, Fish. Every time I got a carb apart I have gotten into the habit of making sure the hole for the inlet needle is clear by holding the carb body up to a good strong light.



Larry
 
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