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Got an 028 AV saw will start and run rough in idle, give it throttle and sometimes it will rev other times will cut off. The piston and cylinder look fine no scoring etc... The intake boot and impulse lines are good also. This 028 has the points under the flywheel with capacitor and i had great spark. I suspect a crank seal is the cause. Any other ideas? I took the carb apart and all seems good, the metering diaphragm is soft and pliable screen, is clean. Drop testing the compression with the starter rope seems good. Fuel filter appears clean. I will order new oil seals and carb kit and go from there. Just looking for more opinions.

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doc874, I agree with you on the seals. We never had any problem with seals until a few years ago on the 028's, as they are all getter older and we are seeing the seals deteriorate.
 
Doc - you've rebuilt a bunch of saws now.. Time to invest in a pressure and vac test set.. Eliminate all the guess work!@

My bet is the points are dirty or most likely your condensor is on the way out.
 
Doc - you've rebuilt a bunch of saws now.. Time to invest in a pressure and vac test set.. Eliminate all the guess work!@

My bet is the points are dirty or most likely your condensor is on the way out.

OK, Tell us again how to perform the pressure test...or isn't part of it a vacuum test? How much does the test equipment cost?:bowdown:

I could do anything if I were not so old and stupid...I mean lame and unschooled in this test. I've probly traded in a few saws that only needed new seals, but I have personnally only broken three. One last year using that damn piston stop!!!!
 
You can put together a decent kit for about $60 - $80... a Mighty Vac (or similar) and a blood pressure type bulb are all you need to test both pressure and vacuum.. Seals tend to show problems under vacuum; pressure is great for finding the location leaks (bubbles out).


If you want to be "economical", a cheap autoparts store combination pressure/vac gauge, a hardware store check valve, bicycle pump for pressure, and then the same pump with the internal seal reversed for vacuum will suffice..


Exact test details can be found in any Stihl service manual, but the basic principle is to seal up the engine and then pressure and vac test it. One way is to slip a piece of rubber between the muffler and cylinder, and either a test flange or another piece of rubber behind the carb. Plug into the impulse hose (one of many ways, and saw dependent) and pressurize the engine to about 8-10psi. It should not leak. If it does, spray with soapy water and look for bubbles, or dump the entire saw in a 5 gallon bucket of water. If that all passes, then do the same for vac at -0.4->0.6 bar, and rotate the crank back and forth. It should hold a vacuum, and if it doesn't, it's almost aways seals. Drop some light oil in the seals and it will either get sucked in, or "cure" the problem. If you suspect a seal but it's holding vac, then just prod it a little and see it it lets go. Stihl allows some leakage (time and pressure based), but I like to see a perfect seal.

Testing a saw like this eliminates (or shows), bad boots, impulse hoses, gaskets, seals etc etc... and can save a bunch of experimentation.
 
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Check your metering diaphram button (where the needle lever fork engages the diaphram) for wear and double check your lever height. Your compaint does not sound like seals but it is possible. The other thing to check is the throttle shaft for play. With high hours the shaft can wear into the carb body and cause all kinds of weird problems some like you are having by allowing air to leak past the shaft.
 
My money is still on the ignition as the problem. Maybe Darin could start
a new offshore gambling site, chainsawstars..., fulltilt saws.......

I go all in on ignition..............

Just like that Echo on another post, but they just disappear...


Still am curious about that 028 point gap setting though, and how the points were cleaned, and set, and so on. Let's have some details, pics!!!
 
skip to my lou

Points and condenser here too.
When you start it cold, does it sound like it is skipping? Does it do this for a little bit, and then straighten out when it starts to warm up just a bit?
Classic signs of ignition problem on an 028.
Out of ten of these saws, nine will be points and/or condenser.
 

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