10 mm Beeline not gonna last long?

[ClimbinArbor]

i have been trying the 10mm beeline e2e for my friction hitch and am having some troubles out of it. it tends to keep its coil once unknotted. i can work it back to normal tho. i have also noticed that the top coil on my 6 loop prusik seems quite stretched, and even black in color sometimes.my biggest concern is probably the inner core showing sometimes.

i really like the beeline, and even want to get some longer pieces to try different knots. but not if the symptoms described above are going to be a problem for me.


surely some of you guys are using beeline. any feedback would be much appreciated.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

It wears better then Stable Braid, it is OK for a friction hitch. I've had better, self rescue rope made for smoke jumpers that I got from Brian F. I've not been able to find more of it.

 

[ClimbinArbor]

what do you think about a 13mm on 13mm.........

 

[(WLL)]

you may like the 8mm b-line a little better. imo i think the bail-out is a better cord fer a friction hitch and does last a little longer. bail-out handles heat better. i have got this cord from both sherrill and wesspur, it is not the same stuff. hands down wesspur has the better stuff.

 

[rmihalek]

I've been using the Ice e2e and it is looking a bit knackered as well. I wonder if these tight hitches put too much stress on one isolated region of the rope?

 

[ClimbinArbor]

i think they do. ive noticed that a 13mm blakes takes alot less wear than the 10mm beeline prusik. i will try a 13mm prusik and see if that helps. the prusik also seems to take alot more heat than a blakes. so im thinking smaller cord+ more surface area= more heat and wear. so therefore if you go to a bigger size prusik, and maybe drop one of the loops, or try a VT or something with less surface wear, you should get less wear and heat. but also less grip to protect my fat butt..... argh

 

[Job Corps Tree]

10mm Beeline

We go through a lot of different Friction hitches with the 24 Trainees in our class. we start them all with just a rope. Later they move up. We use Technora, Beeline, Ultra tech and some of the 16 strand EtoE splices that are out there. I have used Ultra tech for years with just Double Fisherman's Knot for ends. When these knots and Kevlar line first came out all you could get was line by the foot or Inches. No Eye Splices just the knots we could tie. No bunch at the ends like with the splices. We could run them right down to the knots. When the Ultra Tech outer brade would burn out I found I could take the Kevlar core and run it through a new outer braid. Now I run it through the Technora and wind up with a Fully Kevlar rope and still with just DFknots for ends eyes. Wears real well and you can make it real tight or loosen up the braid for a softer line. Not stuck with 1 set length can go shorter, grabs quicker more options just for food for thought.

 

[ClimbinArbor]

thx job corp. i thought the core was still in good shape, and after working it the last couple of days ive got all the kinks out, pun intended. man i wish you guys had classes in wichita, or anybody lol. closest thing we have is KAA class and they only hold it once a year lol.

 

[Job Corps Tree]

10mm beeline

Anyway we can help,just ask we'll do our best

 

[treemandan]

It wears better then Stable Braid, it is OK for a friction hitch. I've had better, self rescue rope made for smoke jumpers that I got from Brian F. I've not been able to find more of it.

What kind of rope are they using for self rescue? I have so many cataloges coming and they have all that stuff.
Sometimes, if the tree is big and I know I will be in it, all over it, for awhile, I tie off one of my shorter lines so it runs straight down the trunk. It is good idea sometimes, I can just go down that.
My first rappell was by myself. I had a climbing book that illustrated how to wrap the rope around your body for friction. A decender is better though... ouch! But I could get down OK if I was bleeding or busted.
Some of those new ropes suck. I still have old sections of true blue that are in good shape. I tried that yellow jacket but thought is sucked so I turned it into a light duty natuaral crotch rigger. I thought the weave was to loose and transient for friction hithes.

 

[ClimbinArbor]

something else ive noticed about the beeline vs 13mm is the heat upon descending. ive had to slow my descents wayyy down because of it. and thats the part with the most fun......

 

[(WLL)]

something else ive noticed about the beeline vs 13mm is the heat upon descending. ive had to slow my descents wayyy down because of it. and thats the part with the most fun......

^^^this is the only problem i have with the cords. i have some what resolved this issue with myself by buying lots and lots of bail-out line:monkey:. i also use the atlas gloves.like i have said many times before bailys bail-out line takes more abuse than every single pressic cord in all three catalogs. sherrill,bailes,wesspur. i have used every cord they offer !!!

 

[treemandan]

I just retired my 200 foot 16 strand 1/2 climbing line. I bought it in 98 so that's ten years to you and me AND I would say the ends bear witness to many a long hot run. The original whipping is fine but I guess if would not want to climb on it, even if the ends were cut back and rewhipped, I sure as hell would not really ask to to work doing anything else but a light duty tag line. No major knicks or anything but I think about all the dirt in there rubbing around for years and years... new rope was 200, I got the same stuff.

 

[treemandan]

^^^this is the only problem i have with the cords. i have some what resolved this issue with myself by buying lots and lots of bail-out line:monkey:. i also use the atlas gloves.like i have said many times before bailys bail-out line takes more abuse than every single pressic cord in all three catalogs. sherrill,bailes,wesspur. i have used every cord they offer !!!

I do not used anything less than a properly rated web strap when playing with sharp objects and such. The little ropes take a beating( so do the big ones) but I know even a saw will cut a steel core and a 1/2 taughtline faster... I just use it to back up my ascender.

 

[ClimbinArbor]

^^^this is the only problem i have with the cords. i have some what resolved this issue with myself by buying lots and lots of bail-out line:monkey:. i also use the atlas gloves.like i have said many times before bailys bail-out line takes more abuse than every single pressic cord in all three catalogs. sherrill,bailes,wesspur. i have used every cord they offer !!!

looking at the new baileys mag..... only prusik cord i see is the 8mm beeline e2e... that is the same yale cordage as all the rest, why would it be better than my 10mm from sherrill?

 

[(WLL)]

looking at the new baileys mag..... only prusik cord i see is the 8mm beeline e2e... that is the same yale cordage as all the rest, why would it be better than my 10mm from sherrill?

i have not done much looking in the new cats ill need to get back to ya after i take a better look. from what i remember the 10mm b-line burned threw faster than the 8mm b-line. imo the 8mm bail-out is twice as good as b-line. one fast decent on the 8mm/10mm b-line and its smoked. ultra-tec,s no differnt,tenex is worthless in this application and ice is not far behin. the bail-out i got from sherrill has a white core and is much softer than bailyes red core bail-out. the **** from sherrill feels so flimzy i dont even wana use it. aside from that the cover is the same.

 

[ClimbinArbor]

im gonna call sherrill in the morning and see if the can grizzly splice me a couple of e2es out of some hivee and give it a try. i just dont like smaller cordage seeing as how my a$$ is big lol. let me know on the bail out. ill do a search and give some a try.

 

[ClimbinArbor]

so it looks like samson makes the 10mm bail out. its rated at 900 degrees like the beeline..... with a lower tensile by about 3k. argh.

 

[(WLL)]

im gonna call sherrill in the morning and see if the can grizzly splice me a couple of e2es out of some hivee and give it a try. i just dont like smaller cordage seeing as how my a$$ is big lol. let me know on the bail out. ill do a search and give some a try.

i have never tried what you have mentioned above. you'll need the right saddle or your advanced hitch will not lay right when all hooked up unless you add an extra link in the mix. if ya don't understand what I'm saying ill try to explain it better. just let me know.

 

[(WLL)]

so it looks like samson makes the 10mm bail out. its rated at 900 degrees like the beeline..... with a lower tensile by about 3k. argh.

i have only used 8mm bail-out and was unaware that it was even offerd in the 10mm.