440 & 441

[PA Plumber]

Some folks wanted to know what I thought of the 440. Very likely all this stuff has been mentioned, but maybe some of you won't mind seeing it again.

Ran it and the 441 today, although not at the same time.

Some things I noticed about the 440...

It is not the same as the 441. Completely different saws.

The 440 is a fantastic saw. Quick and nimble. From felling to limbing to bucking, it is a very nice package.

When pulling the starter rope, it feels like it has higher compression over the 441.

Not near as smooth as the 441 in the cut. Notice the vibes more when idling than when in the cut. I didn't notice them at all while limbing. Blip cut, blip cut, etc.

Easier starting than the 441. 4 total pulls from dead cold, sometimes three.

The switch is a lower profile than the 441. I like the 441 switch better.

It pulls a 24" bar and full comp with authority and I'm sure would pull a lot more bar just fine.

Both saws have 7 T rims on them. The 441 seems to have a higher chain speed. What the 441 has in speed, the 440 has in "grunt."

I would buy a 440 again without hesitation. In fact, I like it better than the 441 for logging Hemlock trees.

Finally, at the end of the day today, both saws weighed exactly 98.4 lbs. :greenchainsaw:

 

[Former Saw Builder]

Ty did you get a chance to compare that full comp chain to the skip you've been running? Nice set of saws for sure,

 

[Stihl 041S]

With saws that fat you be the man.

 

[PA Plumber]

Ty did you get a chance to compare that full comp chain to the skip you've been running? Nice set of saws for sure,

No, Haven't thrown the full comp on the 32" bar yet. Probably next time I'm at the campground.

 

[Former Saw Builder]

No, Haven't thrown the full comp on the 32" bar yet. Probably next time I'm at the campground.

Are you running skip on the 440

 

[wanab]

:biggrinbounce2:

 

[PA Plumber]

Are you running skip on the 440

Full comp on 24" bars on both saws.


When I first posted, I forgot I attached the images. I'll just put them up with some titles.

 

[PA Plumber]

The saws...

A few pics of the first tree felled with the 440

 

[PA Plumber]

A couple more pics...

Another staging area and a few logs.

 

[Ray Bennett]

Very nice set of saws, Glad you like them. I guess I am set in my ways but I like the look of the older model saws best(440/044) not that the 441 aint a sweet saw. And like you said, the nimbleness of the 440 is great. Mine usually takes a few pulls to get going as well. Thanks for the comparison.

Finally, at the end of the day today, both saws weighed exactly 98.4 lbs.

Too funny, been there

 

[Peacock]

Good write up!!

I expected something honest and truthful from you and got just that.

How hard is hemlock? Don't think we have any around here at all.

Glad to hear you like the new saw. Can't be as bad as all the H*sky guys say huh? I'd probably have one if it wasn't for the 441. Always liked the ones I've used.

 

[2000ssm6]

kool pics Plumber!:camera:

 

[Trigger-Time]

Nice Post and pics.

 

[stihl 440]

logging

Nice pics PA!!!! Your landing looks good, nice deck of logs. Man, that hemlock stand looks thick in the background, eh? I'm gettin' the logging itch again, I haven't been able to cut last couple of weeks cause it's just too wet. The mud on my last job was 4ft deep in places on the skid trail.lol I need to line up a couple of jobs for spring. I have alot of guys that want me to cut a couple of trees for them (firewood). But cuttin' firewood is nothin' like logging. I like logging 10X better, partly cause I make alot more money and it's easier money. How much you been getting for hemlock up your way? If you think that 440 cuts now, wait till you mod the muffler and it's broke in. It really wakes up. My 440 take 6 pulls to start from dead cold, always a 1 pull starter warm. Is that a day's cuttin in that pile? Keep them pics comming!!!:greenchainsaw:

 

[BaldSawRunner]

Just curious as to the "gas mileage" on those saws pa I am going to get a MS460 though.

 

[PA Plumber]

Thank you for the kind words.

How hard is hemlock? Don't think we have any around here at all.

I haven't cut any Red Maple in a while, but it might be close, maybe a little harder. It is extremely durable when dry. It weathers very well and used a lot for siding and shingles.

Is that a day's cuttin in that pile?

I sure wish. Just me, a couple of saws, a chain and a track loader. That pile is a couple of days, cutt'n.

 

[stihl 440]

skidder

Thank you for the kind words.



I haven't cut any Red Maple in a while, but it might be close, maybe a little harder. It is extremely durable when dry. It weathers very well and used a lot for siding and shingles.



I sure wish. Just me, a couple of saws, a chain and a track loader. That pile is a couple of days, cutt'n.

Sounds like you need a skidder.lol That's ok though I don't have one either. I just rent my buddy's skidder from him when the logs/jobs get too big for the 60hp JD tractor. I'm gonna take the dive and buy a skidder though one of these days. I can cut/skid a triaxle log truck load in a day.:greenchainsaw:

 

[PA Plumber]

Just curious as to the "gas mileage" on those saws pa I am going to get a MS460 though.

Thanks for the reminder:

440 - Felled and limbed 4 trees on a tank of mix.

441 - Felled 8 trees and limbed 2 1/2 on a tank of mix. These trees were on average a few inches in diameter larger.

 

[Dok]

Seeing the two together like that I can't help but think of Uma Thurman and Beyonce.
Dok

 

[PA Plumber]

Sounds like you need a skidder.lol I can cut/skid a triaxle log truck load in a day.:greenchainsaw:

I would like to have a skidder, even a small one. I would also like to have a tractor, disc, drill, brush hog, etc, etc.

Once I get the main part of the logging done, I may try to sell the track loader and get a tractor (If that point ever comes). I would try to do the pulp wood next. It's just not cost/time effective to skid pulpwood with a track machine.