441?

[04ultra]

Treeco,

Sorry, but I find that a very unfair statement. I prefer the input of experienced technicians who work day in/day out on equipment rather than many wannabees that fook around here.

Lake especially has shown more dedication to helping other people solve technical problems (and not only the Stihl fans)around here then any other person on AS lately. If you state allegations like that, please be specific.

Those few 441 ounces are beginning to trigger very strange behavior here lately, even from the most respected people around this place.

Well said Roland....

 

[THALL10326]

Thall what is the deal with your interest in my backside?

Are you gay?

Not at all Tree. Just want to make sure your able to still sit down. Hate to think your standing up while your typing. BTW, sorry to disappoint you though, NOT:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[CaseyForrest]

I own 12 Stihl saws and I would suggest avoiding the 441 for a couple of years.

I would avoid it until all of the Stihl models are the new heavier EPA saws and you are left with no other choice but to buy saws with lower power to weight ratios.

Also be wary of the guys here who are on the payroll at Stihl, like Lakeside and Thall.

So if we are to stay away from the Stihl EPA saws, whose EPA saws are we supposed to go after????

Sign of the times, things change. Stihl isnt the only one doing it. Yet you want to rant against only Stihl. Its only making you look bad.

 

[Lakeside53]

Ummm, that would be a 11.2 oz weight difference between the two using the current manufacturer's published specifications. Just shy of 3/4 lb. And that's the minimum. It could be more if you believe that Stihl 'fudged' it's specs on saw weight from last year's published specifications. (Math not being an apparent Stihl strong suit.)

Don't follow too closly to Trolls tail, or you might step in something.

How much does the oil and gas weigh in these saws?

Does anyone in the real work give rats fuzzy tail anyhow? if they did Husky wouldn't be selling a single 575:rockn:

 

[Lakeside53]

IAlso be wary of the guys here who are on the payroll at Stihl, like Lakeside and Thall.

Oh yes, be very wary of me!!!! Now that Thall guy, he's just as shil for stihl:hmm3grin2orange:


Treeco - go water your hostas. They need you.

 

[Freakingstang]

any first year model of anything will have problems...I don't care if it is chevy (my 99 z71 must have been a big experiment, lol) or a new garbage disposal.

You guys go trade in you like new saws. I'll be the one buying them up. lol

No epa saws for me. My 5100 and 7900 are the newest saws that I am going to own for a long while.

Got a brand new 372xp in the box for down the road!

 

[Lakeside53]

Lake say what you want it's just you guys that make money selling these new saws that are talking them up.

You know there are going to be problems.

I bet there is a high failure rate.

Pathetic... Who's been talking them down without even seeing one?? At least we've touched them!

I earn exactly the same if we sell a saw or not. Service work is where the money is... not sales.


Now you've moved from "weighs too much" to "they will burn up"... Hmmm... your last argument running out of steam?

Why are there going to be problems and why do you bet there will be a high failure rate?

The 361 (last "new" design") had no material issues...

 

[04ultra]

They have been made heavier in their lower end to handle more heat but the upper end is still going to suffer from the increased heat.

In a couple of years the melted pistons and destroyed cylinders will be a big problem.

If not then what??

 

[Just Mow]

They have been made heavier in their lower end to handle more heat but the upper end is still going to suffer from the increased heat.

In a couple of years the melted pistons and destroyed cylinders will be a big problem.

Where are you coming up with this extra heat. This saw runs cooler than the 44, so what if it's a little heavier. You don't notice it in the wood.
Know before you blow!

 

[sawinredneck]

They have been made heavier in their lower end to handle more heat but the upper end is still going to suffer from the increased heat.

In a couple of years the melted pistons and destroyed cylinders will be a big problem.

HOW IN THE HELL IS INTRODUCING FRESH (COOL) AIR INTO THE EXAUST PORT GOING TO MAKE IT RUN HOTTER!!!!!!!!

 

[Lakeside53]

They have been made heavier in their lower end to handle more heat but the upper end is still going to suffer from the increased heat.

In a couple of years the melted pistons and destroyed cylinders will be a big problem.

You don't know that at all. Your just taking a few guesses gleaned for other posts making guesses and trying to make it fact.

Pistons don't melt over years... they melt in minutes... You don't even know if the lower end gets hotter at all (hint - it doesn't). You've now resorted to making up "facts".

You haven't even seen a 441 engine. Engine "weight" (not all of the overwhelming 12 ounces) is in strengthening ribs, not in areas requiring heat dissipation.Don't you think the engineers have taken into account thermal issues within any engine design????

Want a "hot engine" try taking the temperature of your MS200T sometime...

Stay with plants... you're on safer ground.

 

[Lakeside53]

Are you gay?

Hey Treeco - don't you have to snitch on yourself for saying that on AS?

 

[04ultra]

Hey Treeco - don't you have to snitch on yourself for saying that on AS?

 

[bwalker]

HOW IN THE HELL IS INTRODUCING FRESH (COOL) AIR INTO THE EXAUST PORT GOING TO MAKE IT RUN HOTTER!!!!!!!!

Its quit simple. A two stroke gets most of its cooling from fuel/oil mix circulating through the engine. Strato charged engines cut this amount greatly as they simply use less fuel. This also combust more complelety generating greater heat.
With that said, my Redmx blower with a strato engine has been flawless for two years. Its been used daily from May-Sept and sporadicly during the fall and winter to blow leaves at my home and remove light snow off my cars,driveway, woodpile etc. The fuel economy is scarry and it never smokes/smells after startup and even then its slight.
After the bugs are worked out of the 441 and 575 I may be interesting. That is unless I can still get 372's in Canada!

 

[sawinredneck]

Its quit simple. A two stroke gets most of its cooling from fuel/oil mix circulating through the engine. Strato charged engines cut this amount greatly as they simply use less fuel. This also combust more complelety generating greater heat.QUOTE]


Thank you Ben, but wouldn't that cause a leanout condition? Just curious! I am by no means claiming this is the end all beat all saw, but I am afraid it's either this or the 4mix engines in the very near future!!! I don't know about the rest of you, I like the saws out now, but would like to buy a new one in the future. Every now and then it's nice, a new saw just has a different feel to it, and it would be a real bonus if it didn't weigh as much as a tank and have half the power of the saws today!!!
Andy

 

[Freakingstang]

I don't know about the rest of you, I like the saws out now, but would like to buy a new one in the future. Every now and then it's nice, a new saw just has a different feel to it, and it would be a real bonus if it didn't weigh as much as a tank and have half the power of the saws today!!!
Andy

That's why I'm going to buy another 372xp and 5100s and keep them in the boxes until mine are wore out. One of these days i'll get around to that.