57cc Honda powered MTD Ridgeline

[Ed Penney]

Older HB clones are interchangable with older Hondas they are interchangeable before at a guess 2010 the two newer HF models do not even come close, (they are hemis) none of the Honda engines without a true camshaft (the stamped sheetmetal rotor ones) of course will not interchange. Carbs, gastanks, valve train parts mufflers air filter housings linkages, governors, valve covers. Not sure about bottom ends. Never tried. never tried on vertical shaft either

 

[Bill G]

Older HB clones are interchangable with older Hondas they are interchangeable before at a guess 2010 the two newer HF models do not even come close, (they are hemis) none of the Honda engines without a true camshaft (the stamped sheetmetal rotor ones) of course will not interchange. Carbs, gastanks, valve train parts mufflers air filter housings linkages, governors, valve covers. Not sure about bottom ends. Never tried. never tried on vertical shaft either

So what parts interchange?

 

[sean donato]

Well I have a CR250 bike saw so Honda built the engine

We're not talking about dirt bikes. And a clone chainsaw is a far cry from my old cr500

 

[drumbum]

honda

LMAO

not even a chonda

 

[Sidecarflip]

you need to check it out on web, you love to argue LOL. I checked it out close before I bought it.

Ed... Maybe it's a Chonda...

 

[Bill G]

We're not talking about dirt bikes. And a clone chainsaw is a far cry from my old cr500

It was a joke, I guess that escaped you.

 

[Ed Penney]

Ed... Maybe it's a Chonda...

could be.

 

[Sidecarflip]

Honda built some mean 2 stroke MX bikes, no doubt.

 

[Ed Penney]

could be.

I will figure it out.

 

[Ed Penney]

Honda built some mean 2 stroke MX bikes, no doubt.

Yea I snapped a few bones on them for sure. I am going to talk to my friend that works at Honda still and see if he can find out if it is actually Honda's tech with a chinesium twist.

 

[Bill G]

I am going by what I read on line xxt Honda engine technologies designed the engine, Blackmax (Black and Decker also bought the tech from Honda. Unless I am reading a big lie online from the people that market them. Only reason I put down anything about dirtbikes is because I know Hondas pretty well And said I will be able to tell when I get into modifying it. And yes Bill I wrote down everything I interchanged if you would pull your head out and read it. I ask for some legitimate response not a bunch of crap from gift of God and sidekick

Well no reason for you to be an ass

I asked for clarification but you went south.

Carbs, gastanks, valve train parts mufflers air filter housings linkages, governors, valve covers. Not sure about bottom ends. Never tried. never tried on vertical shaft either

So are these the parts you say interchange?

 

[Ed Penney]

hilai

Well no reason for you to be an ass

I asked for clarification but you went south.



So are these the parts you say interchange?

Sorry Bill, yes I had good luck with all of them. Some slight mods needed but they worked. I am researching this engine and getting irritated. Lots of conflicting stuff, I WILL FIND OUT, sorry for the tantrum

 

[Sidecarflip]

Yea I snapped a few bones on them for sure. I am going to talk to my friend that works at Honda still and see if he can find out if it is actually Honda's tech with a chinesium twist.

The Chinese are very sneaky today. You'll know when you take it apart. A while ago I had a Tanaka top handle saw that was made in Japan (like the Echo's are) and it got flattened by one of my customers bucket trucks (I get my tree work done for free here (take it out in trade for knife sharpening and grinding loops) and try as I may, I could not find another and a bit of searching revealed that Tanaka was no longer made in Japan but had changed names to I think Neo-Tek and made in China. Needless to say, I bought an Echo CS top handle instead. My experience with the Chineseum stuff isn't stellar.

 

[Ed Penney]

You too Sean, It's hard for me trying to find facts to back up marketing ploys. I will say this, so far the engine seems like a pretty good engine, Honda tech? not Honda build? Maybe Honda R&D? or just a rising sun copy in China?

 

[sean donato]

It was a joke, I guess that escaped you.

No it didn't, my comment was made sarcastically

 

[Ed Penney]

The Chinese are very sneaky today. You'll know when you take it apart. A while ago I had a Tanaka top handle saw that was made in Japan (like the Echo's are) and it got flattened by one of my customers bucket trucks (I get my tree work done for free here (take it out in trade for knife sharpening and grinding loops) and try as I may, I could not find another and a bit of searching revealed that Tanaka was no longer made in Japan but had changed names to I think Neo-Tek and made in China. Needless to say, I bought an Echo CS top handle instead. My experience with the Chineseum stuff isn't stellar.

I remember when everyone use to really rag on Japanese quality as poor. It didn't take them long to get too quality. 6 years maybe at the most starting about 64 or five. China has been at it for about 30 or more years and all they've been doing is raping wallets

 

[sean donato]

You too Sean, It's hard for me trying to find facts to back up marketing ploys. I will say this, so far the engine seems like a pretty good engine, Honda tech? not Honda build? Maybe Honda R&D? or just a rising sun copy in China?

there are many companies that make/sell that same saw. They are all based off zenoah, which never had anything to do with Honda and are still producing 2 stroke engines. The ****** part is husqy bought them out for their stratto tech, at least they didn't give up making hobby engines, but have about killed their line of saws and hand held power products here in the states. Many of the smaller displacement husqy saws are actually zenoah/redmax, which happen to be one of the most cloned saws on planet earth. Some under license most not.

 

[Ed Penney]

there are many companies that make/sell that same saw. They are all based off zenoah, which never had anything to do with Honda and are still producing 2 stroke engines. The ****** part is husqy bought them out for their stratto tech, at least they didn't give up making hobby engines, but have about killed their line of saws and hand held power products here in the states. Many of the smaller displacement husqy saws are actually zenoah/redmax, which happen to be one of the most cloned saws on planet earth. Some under license most not.

I still see some potential in it, it was definantly not expensive, 2 marketing sites said the Blackmax (Black and Decker) and MTD Ridgeline used xxt Honda engine technology for the engine. just a quote of what I read. I don't think I wasted money on it, it seems solid regardless. I'm will mod the crap out of it and see what it will do.

 

[sean donato]

I still see some potential in it, it was definantly not expensive, 2 marketing sites said the Blackmax (Black and Decker) and MTD Ridgeline used xxt Honda engine technology for the engine. just a quote of what I read. I don't think I wasted money on it, it seems solid regardless. I'm will mod the crap out of it and see what it will do.

Not long ago I picked up a neotec 853 which is a 543xp clone, which is a zenoah gz4350, which is the slightly newer version of the zenoah gz4000. It was under $200.00 with shipping. Wasn't impressed out of the box, very doggy hard to idle. (I was warned by a few members here what time expect.) Few pictures of what I found. Stratto ports completely blocked off, port sizing off on intake and exhaust. The transfers were actually pretty good, but uneven by several degrees. Build quality was over all decent. Castings were pretty nice. Spark plug is suspect at best and carb looks like straight up garbage, but works. I cleaned the cylinder up and made it match the oe cylinder the best I could. The transfers are just going to be 2* higher and not much I can do about it. I did manage to get the squish down to .024" from more then double that. Haven't had time to toss it back together. I don't expect much, but would think it should run as good, or a bit better then my gz4000.

 

[NSEric]

That saw is a zenoah 45cc saw clone.
It's not a honda at all lol.
It could be a 45, 50 or 54.5cc, they're all the same on the outside.

If you want to mess with it.
They perk up quite a bit with a wide open muffler, a little grinding and ditching the base gasket.
My latest/best running ported 54.5cc one has a stock height exhaust port with 1/8 off each side of it, the top of the piston cut down 1/16 beside the transfers ( this is like raising the transfers but easy to do with a dremel) and the bottom of intake port flattened out but not lowered (it's very rounded stock) with 1/16 off each side of it. I also open/flare the bottom of the transfers out a bit on the exhaust side.
If it's a 45cc (43mm bore) spend the 20 bucks on the 52cc (45mm bore really 50cc) cylinder. The 45.2mm bore cylinder isnt a big bore for the smaller saws it's for the longer stroke 54.5 cc saw and is 2mm taller so it runs badly on the smaller saws without a ton of work.