60cc Awesomeness, who is king?

[Deleted member 117362]

A ported 390 at 88cc and at least 1hp more SHOULD whoop-up on a 70.7 cc 441c saw ! If it don’t then I’m a monkeys uncle !View attachment 682712

But, you compared a 70+cc to 60's or am I mistaken?

 

[Deleted member 117362]

You are correct about 365s but I was referring to 362xp or the Jonsered equivalents. Lol

Sorry about that, will try to pay closer attention.

 

[caffeine1fg]

Sorry about that, will try to pay closer attention.

No problem at all, these thread meander all over the place. At times it's hard to follow all the different conversations.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

But, you compared a 70+cc to 60's or am I mistaken?

So what the hell has that got to do with the price of beans ? It’s all Snellings’ fault I tell ya

 

[Deleted member 117362]

Nothing, thought thread was about 60cc saws, wrong again. Carry on.

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

It always amazes me how these discussions go off track - ha! The McCulloch endorsement really got me to laughing. I had to use those heavy beasts back in the day. I think they were made out of depleted uranium to get the weight up, just for sadistic purposes. I have used most of the saws discussed in this forum, and have come to appreciate reliability and good chains above all other qualities. I can't disagree about the superiority of the Husqvarna 562XP. I leave the 70 cc saw at home when I have access to my 562XP. The 365 is a great saw, just a de-tuned 372XP for the most part. But for a young guy saving a few bucks, I could easily recommend the Echo CS-620P. Muffler mod is easy-peazy. They aren't particularly light (about a 1/2 pound more than the 562XP), but start easy, every time, and have plenty of mid-range torque. It won't out cut the 562XP, but offers plenty of bang for the buck, and you don't have to worry about problems with computer processor chips, or tuning with a computer. I would certainly take the Echo CS-620P over the Stihl MS362. Regardless of model, for those who love them, it is hard to diss any Dolmar saws either.

Spot on about the weight difference, but you either have a better 562 then me or I have a better 620 then you, but with my 2 saws the 620 out cuts it, especially when the bar gets to 24"+ inches

 

[dustinwilt68]

I have to disagree with this, dealer support for husky is no issue at all in any state in the US, I quick Google search shows plenty of dealers in any state, as far as department of forestry, I am certain they go with the lowest bidder, that's how government contracts generally work, in my area all the tree service guys run huskys, because they got a better bid from them then Stihl, kinda the same thing, they sell the saws to these at cost and make it up on having the contracts written to make the companys run all husky oils, mix, bars and chains.

Husky bought Redmax and used the technology (combined with what they already knew) to produce the 5 series line in an effort to capture more of the professional market under the Husky brand. It hasn't worked out for them and they have reintroduced the Redmax brand. You can argue all you want about which saw is best but Stihl dominates the professional market. US Forest service owns somewhere around 7,500 of them alone. I do like other brands and think a lot of the 562XP but all we run is Stihl because I can go anywhere from Virginia to Florida (which I do during hurricane season) and find a Stihl dealer. Can't say that for any other brand.

 

[homemade]

I am certain they go with the lowest bidder, that's how government contracts generally work,

I work for our local highway Dept. The trend used to be low bidder wins, but it’s transitioning to a “contract goes to the medium bidder”. They are sick of buying cheep and paying for it later when it’s always broken.

 

[Deleted member 117362]

I work for our local highway Dept. The trend used to be low bidder wins, but it’s transitioning to a “contract goes to the medium bidder”. They are sick of buying cheep and paying for it later when it’s always broken.

So, they must be buying Husqvarna.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

So, they must be buying Husqvarna.

Remember..... STIHL rules ... and HUSKY drools! (Usually out the muffler !)

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

Really you'd have to set more parameters for a better answer. Do you want to play with the saw or not? Are you horrible at tunning or not? Do you care about the warranty or dealer service or are you just begging for the thing to blow up so you have an excuse to mod the snot out of it? The beauty of this class saw is there are a good amount of saws out there that offer a tad bit of difference to make it perfect for you. I'd say the 4 players here us husky and stihl (of course) dolmar and echo. I have to leave two out cause I don't have one. But I do have the cs620 and the 562. Both are good saws for sure and both were purchased for good reasons. The 562 is the family plot saw and won't be touched (least I'm really trying to resist) and the 620 was purchased to be played with. As others have said the echo is heavier. Not enough to bother me, but I've ran an 288xp with a 28" bar all day long multiple times. Ive also competed in strongman and powerlifting, so my opinion is probably void on the weight difference. The echo is wider, they are both close to the same hight. Handling wise I like the echo better for felling while the Husky seems maybe a tad better for most else. Plastic is better (thicker) on the echo. For mods, let me say I've never played with a 562. What I can say is the echo offers an easy intake side mod that isn't available on the Husky. That's the filter spacer, about an hour of work and gives a good boost. Muffler mods are muffler mods and I'm sure both have the potential for the same gain. From a glance and having done the 620, I'd guess the echo is easier to perform. While we are at it, the echo is extremely easy to work on and fast. Other then being mostly torx, but once you have the bits it's probably the easiest saw I've ever worked on.
Personally, I wouldn't buy the 620 unless you are willing to pull the caps and tune. Seriously My saw came from a dealer (also a Stihl dealer) but they aren't going past the limiters and its simply too lean for break in. Again my opinion. Not a problem with the 562 obviously. Buyer beware. With my two examples (and before the echo got played with) the echo seemed to cut faster. Now I'm running 24" bars with stihl chains (same type) on both. On pine the difference wasn't noticeable, but on rock elm it certainly was. The echo didn't notice the difference between the two woods while the 562 did. Not much but it is what it is. My guess the difference will grow with a 28". If the Husky beats the echo it's with a smaller bar. I'm getting a 28" but now one saw is modified and the other isn't, so it won't matter. Now factor in price if it matters to you.

 

[dustinwilt68]

So you are claiming well over a 60% gain on a saw? That I would like to see, I wonder if you believe your own BS?

hope ya got deep pockets big - boy ... don’t furget to send the 5 hun bet to this “neutral party” with your Ol bird legs special ... That’s me “work saw” ... me racers’ bout 60% quicker ... better stuff some xtra bananas in that muffled-mods-work-saw ... LMFAO

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

Oh and also, bar choices are crap for the echo. But I'm running the Cannon adapter for stihl medium mount, it's cheap and pays for itself. Yes I had to match up the oil ports a bit.

 

[homemade]

Actually our highway buys Stihl for the dealer network. It’s not on bid, chainsaws are a stocked item. Bigger things like dump trucks and so on go to bid. But at that rate, our supervisor who handles this, is a true sales men and politician, so he can convince the purchasing committee on what ever he wants and a bid is just a formality.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

So you are claiming well over a 60% gain on a saw? That I would like to see, I wonder if you believe your own BS?

It’s not unbelievable at all ! With the right flow-enhancements and chain speed it’s achievable on some models / some less ... a good hot - woods port plus a fast cutting chain at 12500-13000 rpm in the cut ... well YOU do the math ... I don’t know why you keep bringing up Brad Snelling- I’m not affiliated with him whatsoever!!!

 

[Frank Rizzo]

Here’s a gent (who used to be on the forum but left because .......???) He’s achieved 68-100% gains ... search for Timberwolf on this forum - very knowledgeable guy

 

[dustinwilt68]

I am calling complete BS, I guess you really do believe your own lies, sad Fabz truly sad

 

[Frank Rizzo]

I am calling complete BS, I guess you really do believe your own lies, sad Fabz truly sad

Fine ... do your way/don’t believe it ! I don’t care !!!

 

[DCW434]

I have to disagree with this, dealer support for husky is no issue at all in any state in the US, I quick Google search shows plenty of dealers in any state, as far as department of forestry, I am certain they go with the lowest bidder, that's how government contracts generally work, in my area all the tree service guys run huskys, because they got a better bid from them then Stihl, kinda the same thing, they sell the saws to these at cost and make it up on having the contracts written to make the companys run all husky oils, mix, bars and chains.

I do not have time when we're on assignment to stop and hunt for and then run 45 minutes one way to a Husky dealer. That doesn't happen to us running Stihl. But other crews who have decided to be a Husky team...Oh well. Maybe 30 miles doesn't matter to you but time is money and we can't afford to kill a day trying to find a part or a repair. I'm not arguing performance here, I think Husky makes some very capable saws, but dealer support - not so much. I guess it just all boils down to where you live and work. As I said before, make sure you have dealer support for whatever equipment you run.

 

[dustinwilt68]

I not arguing, just pointing out they have great dealer support as well, in my area we have more husky shop shops then Stihl, for me it boils down to cost of parts, I can repair a similar Husky for half the price of a Stihl, for example a 036 top end kit is north of $250 for a similar Husky 357 or even a 562 it's around 100.00.