60cc Awesomeness, who is king?

[Little Al]

Yah , a good Saw - mechanic should be able to work on ANY Saw right ? Well I can’t very well say I’m a 372xp specialist if I don’t even OWN that particular saw (though I have operated them ) - that wood be dishonest on my part ... look guy I’ve cut / processed More wood than most do in a lifetime ... By using and experimenting on MY equipment I find out what works and what doesn’t ... very simple and straightforward ... as far as Jack aka Hotsaws101, He’s an excellent faller and a very,very good builder . In fact I own a 241c insane-0 and a 461R extreme and am well-pleased with both saws ! Really not interested in your assessment of the situation nor the snarky presumptions you feel you must make for whatever reason ... good day !

Frank I don''t want to "Piss on your chips"but any one involved in " Proper logging" would really not be interested in your exploits I only come on this forum as I've reached the take it a bit easier time 83 YO this year, they would not be interested in your claims as a porter/tuner It's a life long trust thing , we probably **** more wood before tea break Monday morning than you deal with in a week or more but you try to come across as BIG League.You extol the virtues of your saw prep /modding, but to me you haven't proved it's your doing, apart from a few unsubstantiated videos & your say so we have nothing to go on, & before you try to draw me out I have no intention of entering a pissing contest, the company I work for are happy with what & how we do .In the logging leagues you are a very small fish in a jam jar but with a huge ego(multiple)that appears you cannot reign in. I just hope the term ******** baffles brains doesn't come to pass over this, & less knowledgeable members are fooled/taken in.All I ask is please tell the truth when addressing the masses from your soap box

 

[Frank Rizzo]

Frank I don''t want to "Piss on your chips"but any one involved in " Proper logging" would really not be interested in your exploits I only come on this forum as I've reached the take it a bit easier time 83 YO this year, they would not be interested in your claims as a porter/tuner It's a life long trust thing , we probably **** more wood before tea break Monday morning than you deal with in a week or more but you try to come across as BIG League.You extol the virtues of your saw prep /modding, but to me you haven't proved it's your doing, apart from a few unsubstantiated videos & your say so we have nothing to go on, & before you try to draw me out I have no intention of entering a pissing contest, the company I work for are happy with what & how we do .In the logging leagues you are a very small fish in a jam jar but with a huge ego(multiple)that appears you cannot reign in. I just hope the term ******** baffles brains doesn't come to pass over this, & less knowledgeable members are fooled/taken in.All I ask is please tell the truth when addressing the masses from your soap box

Well Al , if you’re STIHL in the game at 83 years young you’ve done well ! I’m not a pro-logger but do run saws enough to know what works and what don’t at least for the species of timber we have in my neck of the woods ... The reason for hot-rod saws is PRODUCTION ! 2 men using my saws can do the work of 3 running stockers ! This means more in me pockets sir ! There’s 2 ways to make it for the long haul Al ...imho ...1) do very very good work or 2) cheat .... I choose #1 sir and it’s served me well ! If you’ve been around saws all your life then I think you can tell by the SOUND of the saws a runner or not !

 

[Little Al]

Well Al , if you’re STIHL in the game at 83 years young you’ve done well ! I’m not a pro-logger but do run saws enough to know what works and what don’t at least for the species of timber we have in my neck of the woods ... The reason for hot-rod saws is PRODUCTION ! 2 men using my saws can do the work of 3 running stockers ! This means more in me pockets sir ! There’s 2 ways to make it for the long haul Al ...imho ...1) do very very good work or 2) cheat .... I choose #1 sir and it’s served me well ! If you’ve been around saws all your life then I think you can tell by the SOUND of the saws a runner or not !

I am up with the sound performance wise of good /bad or indifferent saws ,my doubt is DO YOU actually do the tuning work or do you get a quality tuner to do work on your saw then claim you are the modder? how many of your modded saws are earning cash in other peoples hands ? .I know quite a few guys that have altered saws for themselves for their own use but just get on with cutting for their own satisfaction & not requiring to make claims that their saws are the be all to end all performance wise ,if your saws were being used by third parties & they performed as you claim ,guys requiring performance would be beating you door down. How long is your waiting /turn around time ? I would guess if your product is a good as you say you would be doing the saw work full time rather than logging ,I can tell you it"s a damn sight easier on the body.

 

[cuinrearview]

I am up with the sound performance wise of good /bad or indifferent saws ,my doubt is DO YOU actually do the tuning work or do you get a quality tuner to do work on your saw then claim you are the modder? how many of your modded saws are earning cash in other peoples hands ? .I know quite a few guys that have altered saws for themselves for their own use but just get on with cutting for their own satisfaction & not requiring to make claims that their saws are the be all to end all performance wise ,if your saws were being used by third parties & they performed as you claim ,guys requiring performance would be beating you door down. How long is your waiting /turn around time ? I would guess if your product is a good as you say you would be doing the saw work full time rather than logging ,I can tell you it"s a damn sight easier on the body.

Ehhhhhh..... Fabz ain't logging either

 

[Frank Rizzo]

I am up with the sound performance wise of good /bad or indifferent saws ,my doubt is DO YOU actually do the tuning work or do you get a quality tuner to do work on your saw then claim you are the modder? how many of your modded saws are earning cash in other peoples hands ? .I know quite a few guys that have altered saws for themselves for their own use but just get on with cutting for their own satisfaction & not requiring to make claims that their saws are the be all to end all performance wise ,if your saws were being used by third parties & they performed as you claim ,guys requiring performance would be beating you door down. How long is your waiting /turn around time ? I would guess if your product is a good as you say you would be doing the saw work full time rather than logging ,I can tell you it"s a damn sight easier on the body.

I’m not making any claims that my builds are the “be all end all” of performance at all ... I’m just working thru the STIHL Pro lineup one saw at a time ; running stock , then muffler modded , then intake work (and machining adapters to allow more flow when applicable) and finally flow-enhancements to the jug and slug ; and recording each step in the same wood with same chain ... if a particular mod does not pan out I go back until it does ... again one step at a time ... I think the final product works well ! Considerably quicker cutting vs stock and the fuel consumption is excellent ! Have run saws by many known builders and they ran well but became frustrated with being outta gas and STIHL having 1/2 tank of oil left ! I’m not running my saws 6 hrs a day / 6 days a week like some here but when called upon my saws produce ... like I said before ... I and a helper (2 men) running these flow-enhanced saws can equal or in some cases outperform 3 men running stock saws - Owning 2-hot woods saw is cheaper than owning 3 stockers and only have to split the take between 2 instead of 3 men ! Do ya get my logic sir ? I don’t need to “port saws” for a living and quite frankly can make considerably MORE $ RUNNING them than I could “enhancing” them ! That being said I’m considering doing a build thread with the new 462c - I’ve seen what gains others are making and believe I can exceed them while delivering superior run-time per tank .. we shall see the finished product soon enough my friend and will let the members of the forum be the judge ! Not a few “hecklers” with an axe to grind !!!

 

[Little Al]

I’m not making any claims that my builds are the “be all end all” of performance at all ... I’m just working thru the STIHL Pro lineup one saw at a time ; running stock , then muffler modded , then intake work (and machining adapters to allow more flow when applicable) and finally flow-enhancements to the jug and slug ; and recording each step in the same wood with same chain ... if a particular mod does not pan out I go back until it does ... again one step at a time ... I think the final product works well ! Considerably quicker cutting vs stock and the fuel consumption is excellent ! Have run saws by many known builders and they ran well but became frustrated with being outta gas and STIHL having 1/2 tank of oil left ! I’m not running my saws 6 hrs a day / 6 days a week like some here but when called upon my saws produce ... like I said before ... I and a helper (2 men) running these flow-enhanced saws can equal or in some cases outperform 3 men running stock saws - Owning 2-hot woods saw is cheaper than owning 3 stockers and only have to split the take between 2 instead of 3 men ! Do ya get my logic sir ? I don’t need to “port saws” for a living and quite frankly can make considerably MORE $ RUNNING them than I could “enhancing” them ! That being said I’m considering doing a build thread with the new 462c - I’ve seen what gains others are making and believe I can exceed them while delivering superior run-time per tank .. we shall see the finished product soon enough my friend and will let the members of the forum be the judge ! Not a few “hecklers” with an axe to grind !!!

One more post & I'm done If you can buck the trend of 2 smoke motor Modders since the year dot & produce a more powerful unit that is more economical on fuel with reliability, you my friend should patent it & wait for Stihl/Husky to beat your door down & give you big piles of cash for your knowledge ,or on the other hand they might find your body in a dumpster with no sign of the cash as in some of the good inventions that have ended up much the same over the years I would't hold my breath though

 

[Frank Rizzo]

One more post & I'm done If you can buck the trend of 2 smoke motor Modders since the year dot & produce a more powerful unit that is more economical on fuel with reliability, you my friend should patent it & wait for Stihl/Husky to beat your door down & give you big piles of cash for your knowledge ,or on the other hand they might find your body in a dumpster with no sign of the cash as in some of the good inventions that have ended up much the same over the years I would't hold my breath though

Yah , you cannot “patent” port/work or modifications my friend ... you CAN however make the stock saw cut/perform considerably better than a stocker ! Not saying I’m getting more power using less fuel whatsoever ... just saying some “builders” saws use considerably MORE fuel to get the SAME or LESS performance and the operator is exposed to excessive harmful fumes due to “lazy” or incompetent modding / port work !!! OUT !!!!!!!!

 

[Honyuk96]

Haha just got back around to this smelly cheese thread. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but did an 83 YO logger just put Frank and all his alter egos in their place ? Just like the old saying goes, if it smells like poop, it probably is. you are pathetic Frank.

 

[cuinrearview]

Haha just got back around to this smelly cheese thread. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but did an 83 YO logger just put Frank and all his alter egos in their place ? Just like the old saying goes, if it smells like poop, it probably is. you are pathetic Frank.

All I took from it is that Frank said he was gonna do a lot build thread...

 

[chipper1]

All I took from it is that Frank said he was gonna do a lot build thread...

So we got a piped 660 and a build thread on a 462 in the works, and he's gonna get some numbers off his Dyno and let us be the judges .

 

[Frank Rizzo]

So we hot a piped 660 and a building thread on a 462 in the works, and he's gonna get some numbers off his Dyno and let us be the judges .

Yah , why ya gotta be like that bub ?

 

[cuinrearview]

So we hot a piped 660 and a building thread on a 462 in the works, and he's gonna get some numbers off his Dyno and let us be the judges .

I started a poll about whether Frank would build a saw here or not.

 

[Honyuk96]

Frank builds bandwidth. He does it well.

 

[cuinrearview]

The poll was removed. Sorry guys.

 

[chipper1]

Yah , why ya gotta be like that bub ?

I don't.
But since you've continued to ask everyone else for proof of everthing they have ever done or said in their life I feel the same should be expected of you, it's the standard you've set for everyone so it's only fair you live up to it as well. I've spoken many kind words to you, I've done the best I can help direct you on a path that would help you here and on all the other forums, but you've continued to stomp out all that advice. If you'd stop acing as if no-one else can do what you have done or is doing(which is very insulting to most people) and recognize that we are all trying to learn and help one another here then the way you are treated will change. As I've said before there are things you've said I agree with, but the condescending attitude towards everyone in general trumps anything positive you have said or have done.
To summarize; this is a community, we help one another, everyone here has something to learn and everyone here has something to offer(you included).
If you are here only to boast and tell others they know nothing move along, if you want to be part of the community then get with the program, it's your choice and others will respond accordingly .

 

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Frank learns best this way

 

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The poll was removed. Sorry guys.

 

[pioneerguy600]

What, I just voted a couple minits ago!