86hp perkins locked up

[CleanCutStihl]

I have a 1990 Bandit Model 250 with a 86hp Perkins 4 cylinder that I got to run after buying it on a gamble. In order to get it to run, I had to rebuild the injector pump, buy 4 new injectors, have the fuel tanked cleaned in a steam jenny and lined, rebuild the starter. I also had my local bandit dealer install a new ignition and murphy's switch and fix the wiring issues. It was running at low rpm about 1600 (wouldn't rev over 1800) with the clutch engaged and locked up. I think that the feeder wheels (12x19 opening I think) require about 2000 engine rpm's to engage.

Bottom line is that I have too much into the machine to give up. The only thing is that I live in Raleigh, NC and we don't seem to have enough people out here that can find me a cost efficient solution. I am looking to replace my engine with a new or re-manufactured Perkins unless someone has one with low hours and fully functional or even an alternative engine solution if it is cost efficient and easily done.

Any ideas or suggestions?

 

[Knobby57]

Your feed wheels should work at any rpm I
They will be slow at lower rpm. Sounds like you have a pump /hydrolics issue

 

[Guido Salvage]

You might see if you could find an engine in a 1080 or 1085 Massey Ferguson farm tractor you could swap in. I used to deal with Fitts Tractor up in Cascade, VA, they are just across the border from Eden, NC.

 

[treecutterjr]

I've got the same chipper. My feed wheel engages when you put the clutch into gear. Low rims they just spin slow. Rev it up they go faster. When you say locked up do you mean the wheels locked up? Or now the engine won't start?
Also, have you checked/ changed the fuel filters? Sounds basic but i had an issue with rpms not revving all the way up and in the end my fuel filters were just so full of water that the engine was losing rpms. Changed them and it started running like new.

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[CleanCutStihl]

The engine itself is locked up due to a lower bearing failure. It had been overheated many years ago and thats why it sat apparently.

 

[old_soul]

I had to put a reman perkins in our Vermeer last spring. Lost top of #3 piston and rings down inside cylinder wall causing big problems

cost to rebuild was more than swapping engines so that was what we did.

Got new (rebuilt) motor from these guys:

http://herculesengine.com/index.htm

Rich was great to work with and really helped us get this project going

I know this is not close to NC but might be some help to ya.........

 

[VA-Sawyer]

I have found Perkins engine parts to be unreasonably priced. It doesn't take much damage before it cost more for parts than a new engine. I would try to find a used JD or even a used Cat power unit to replace yours. I have repowered a few chippers and a stump grinders. It isn't too hard to do.
Va-sawyer

 

[CleanCutStihl]

I have found Perkins engine parts to be unreasonably priced. It doesn't take much damage before it cost more for parts than a new engine. I would try to find a used JD or even a used Cat power unit to replace yours. I have repowered a few chippers and a stump grinders. It isn't too hard to do.
Va-sawyer

Do you have a way to tell me what motors would fit in my 1990 bandit 250 with a rockford/ twin disk pto? numbers on the engine are: LD 33775*U12416U* and on the other side of the engine it has: IOE*90 with 3711343A/3 under it. I was told my my local bandit dealer it was a 86hp perkins

 

[VA-Sawyer]

To make things easier in the power unit world, they have SAE standards for drive ends. On the engine there should be a data plate. It is often tucked under the fuel injection pump. I think the numbers you gave me were casting numbers. Anyways, if we can get a build number from the data plate, it will tell us which SAE drive it has. Might be able to get it off the Twin Disk unit as well. Then you just need an engine with that same SAE drive housing. The engine mounts are fairly easy to make. Wiring isn't too hard either. As long as there is physical space for the engine, it isn't too bad to convert.


SAE ID info.....
http://www.foleyengines.com/resources/tech-tips/sae-bell-housings-made-easy

 

[VA-Sawyer]

It is probably a SAE #3 bell housing.

 

[CleanCutStihl]

I printed that page out yesterday and I meant to check the bell housing diameter today, but I ran out steam after the work day. Good Information. I think it is a #3 bell housing as well but I will check it tomorrow and try to post back. I will also look for the data plate on the engine. Thank you

 

[VA-Sawyer]

A JD 4045HC power unit should work nice on that. How did the chipper run on 86 HP? You could go to 100 HP or so for about the same price as 80hp.

 

[VA-Sawyer]

The engine you have now is probably an 1104 either C or D. Is it turbocharged?

 

[CleanCutStihl]

it is a non turbo engine. this chipper sat for some years before I bought it. I have not gotten to use the chipper yet because I had to do a lot of work on it to get it running. I had the injector pump rebuilt, 4 new injectors, new battery, cleaned and lined fuel tank, fuel filter with a filter in line also, re-wired the engine, rebuilt the starter, new Murphys switch, and basic maintenance. I got it running, then I noticed it would not rev up and that the clutch was out of adjustment. I adjusted the clutch and got it to work properly and spin the disc, but I noticed that there was a lot of vibration and the engine wouldnt run at a high enough rpm. I tried engaging the feeder wheels and they did not function. this model isnt equipped with a hydraulic lift cylinder

 

[Eq Broker]

If you replace the engine with a different manufacturer, you will more than likely have to do the following:

-Replace the motor mounts.
-Reconfigure the exhaust system (muffler)
-Reconfigure the air cleaner assembly

If you purchase another engine, it needs to be in the same family number as the Perkins you have in the chipper. Perkins may configure the same engine 50 to 100 ways to fit in different applications. For example, it might be the same engine but when put in a Bobcat this engine will not work in a chipper.

Hope this helps!

Dave
Global Equipment Exporters

 

[VA-Sawyer]

If you replace the engine with a different manufacturer, you will more than likely have to do the following:

-Replace the motor mounts.
Not too difficult to do.

-Reconfigure the exhaust system
(muffler)
Again, not that hard to do. Stainless tubing from an exhaust shop.

-Reconfigure the air cleaner assembly
Easiest of the three.

You forgot.... change wiring, fuel lines, and maybe the radiator.

If you purchase another engine, it needs to be in the same family number as the Perkins you have in the chipper. Perkins may configure the same engine 50 to 100 ways to fit in different applications. For example, it might be the same engine but when put in a Bobcat this engine will not work in a chipper.
Just make sure it has a SAE bell housing of the right size.

Hope this helps!

Dave
Global Equipment Exporters