Advise on rigging set ups

[MackenzieTree]

I use a 1' sling and pulley and they are no ropes that are gonna bind through that ...Maybe a bit of a overkill sometimes but I don't have time or space to have 4 or 5 different setups ...

Kinda what I was leaning towards just a set up for anything might be over kill but its kind of a one shot deal

 

[lone wolf]

I wonder why he's using those aluminum ******* instead of just choking the sling through the eyes? love the dew though, reminds me of someone..

I do not think they are carabiners.I posted this just to show Carbless a Block is all!Stihlomatic is right about the metal on met too!

 

[Tree Pig]

I'll stick with a cow hitch in a big, fat, spliced eye choker, thank you very much.

Some times its just so fast to tie off the timber hitch or you dont have enough length for cow hitch... But I agree I feel much safer with a cow hitch.

 

[lone wolf]

Some times its just so fast to tie off the timber hitch or you dont have enough length for cow hitch... But I agree I feel much safer with a cow hitch.

You ever see a timber hitch roll out when pulled at a wrong angle?

 

[superjunior]

I'll stick with a cow hitch in a big, fat, spliced eye choker, thank you very much.

that's what I use

 

[Tree Pig]

You ever see a timber hitch roll out when pulled at a wrong angle?

I have not seen it but I do realize how and why it happens, the shame of it on my part is it really doesnt take that much longer to tie the cow hitch... more often then not though its because I am short on the tail end, I have to increase my inventory of slings for sure.

 

[lone wolf]

I have not seen it but I do realize how and why it happens, the shame of it on my part is it really doesnt take that much longer to tie the cow hitch... more often then not though its because I am short on the tail end, I have to increase my inventory of slings for sure.

Whats the longest one eyed sling you have?

 

[Carburetorless]

I do not think they are carabiners.I posted this just to show Carbless a Block is all!Stihlomatic is right about the metal on met too!

I haven't watched the entire vid, but what I see in the first frame is a sling with permanently attached steel links, they're basically steel rod that is bent into a ring and welded shut at the ends, like the links in a chain.

We used those when I used to pipeline, except ours were 8 to 10 inches wide with rings that were about 10". I've seen two 42 foot joints of 16" x 300 wall pipe carried with one of those.

I've also seen some larger steel girders and I beams craned into position with similar slings. They're definitely strong.

You wrap the sling around what you want to carry, then pass one end through the other link and cinch it tight, sort of like a clove hitch.

 

[Carburetorless]

when I click the link i get 3 pages... try just going to sherrill's site, rigging, then blocks and pulleys (in the drop down menu)

I finally got the page to load.

Now I see the difference. So pulleys, even though some of them are quite strong, only have a hook in point for a biner, while blocks have a sheave to tie into.

I can see how having something wider to absorb a shock load would make a difference.

 

[Tree Pig]

Whats the longest one eyed sling you have?

hmmm not really sure maybe 15' - 20' if I run in to the length problem its usually on the porta end not the block end but I wont lie I have used a timber when I was to lazy to run up a longer sling.

 

[Blakesmaster]

hmmm not really sure maybe 15' - 20' if I run in to the length problem its usually on the porta end not the block end but I wont lie I have used a timber when I was to lazy to run up a longer sling.

I've never had a problem with a timber rolling out, I could see it happening if you don't have enough wraps or if the trunk is uneven enough the wraps don't press against it. Both my PW's have VERY long slings and are cow hitched 99.9% of the time. My blocks, usually cow hitched just to eat up their extra length for the most part. But I have no concerns using a timber hitch, just make sure it's dressed and set correctly. I bought a whoopie sling a few years back, but those are pretty much a joke, way faster to tie a single eye sling than set a whoopie, IMO.

 

[lone wolf]

hmmm not really sure maybe 15' - 20' if I run in to the length problem its usually on the porta end not the block end but I wont lie I have used a timber when I was to lazy to run up a longer sling.

15 works on about 3 foot diameter or a little less 20 should work good for you with a Cow Hitch.

 

[VA-Sawyer]

You wrap the sling around what you want to carry, then pass one end through the other link and cinch it tight, sort of like a clove hitch.

How could you possibly compare that to a clove hitch ? 10 years experience ? For some folks, 10 years experience means 3650 days of continous progress in learning, for others it is repeating the first year 10 times over, in your case it sounds like repeating the first day 3650 times in a row. I'll bet we've taught you more in the last 2 weeks than you knew before that.
Rick

 

[lone wolf]

How could you possibly compare that to a clove hitch ? 10 years experience ? For some folks, 10 years experience means 3650 days of continous progress in learning, for others it is repeating the first year 10 times over, in your case it sounds like repeating the first day 3650 times in a row. I'll bet we've taught you more in the last 2 weeks than you knew before that.
Rick

He said "sort of" that is the best he can describe it .He needs to learn and he is trying!I give him credit for trying nothing pisses me off more than a noob that wont listen.

 

[VA-Sawyer]

I've never had a problem with a timber rolling out, I could see it happening if you don't have enough wraps or if the trunk is uneven enough the wraps don't press against it. Both my PW's have VERY long slings and are cow hitched 99.9% of the time. My blocks, usually cow hitched just to eat up their extra length for the most part. But I have no concerns using a timber hitch, just make sure it's dressed and set correctly. I bought a whoopie sling a few years back, but those are pretty much a joke, way faster to tie a single eye sling than set a whoopie, IMO.

Blakes,
I normally use the TH for securing my block. Of course, I don't push the limits on wood size because I tend to have newbie help, so no need to haul the extra long sling aloft. That is also why I use the whoopie sling on the PW. You might be correct about tying a TH being faster for you, but the whoopie is easier for the groundie if I need to move the PW.


As for the sling&rings in the video, I would never use that setup either. I was taught 'fiber only' on blocks.
That can be rope, sling, strap, or even braided armpit hair if you want, but never metal.

Rick

 

[tree md]

I'll stick with a cow hitch in a big, fat, spliced eye choker, thank you very much.

What Del said.

I have gone to a 30' spliced eye, double braid sling so I can use the cow hitch on pretty much anything. I prefer it over a timber hitch. I also have a 10' tennex sling that I use on smaller stuff as well. A plain Jane heavy duty CMI arborist block and a porty will allow you to do just about anything you want. You can throw a pulley or two into the equation to get some significant lift and pull with that setup.

 

[VA-Sawyer]

He said "sort of" that is the best he can describe it .He needs to learn and he is trying!I give him credit for trying nothing pisses me off more than a noob that wont listen.

OK, and the knot I use to tie my boots is sort of like a running bowline, the string is wrapped around itself and there is a loop. :hmm3grin2orange:

I agree about the noob that won't listen being a problem, I just think a 'clueless' noob that trys to instruct others is even worse. In this case, I do agree with you, he does seem to at least see that he has a whole lot to learn, and that is progress.
Rick

 

[lone wolf]

OK, and the knot I use to tie my boots is sort of like a running bowline, the string is wrapped around itself and there is a loop. :hmm3grin2orange:

I agree about the noob that won't listen being a problem, I just think a 'clueless' noob that trys to instruct others is even worse. In this case, I do agree with you, he does seem to at least see that he has a whole lot to learn, and that is progress.
Rick

He was giving advice? I thought he was just asking about what the diff is between a block and a pulley?

 

[Carburetorless]

How could you possibly compare that to a clove hitch ? 10 years experience ? For some folks, 10 years experience means 3650 days of continous progress in learning, for others it is repeating the first year 10 times over, in your case it sounds like repeating the first day 3650 times in a row. I'll bet we've taught you more in the last 2 weeks than you knew before that.
Rick

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You don't even know what a clove hitch is, so just drink your Red Bull and shut up.

 

[lone wolf]

well, wel, ww www WWWAAAA WAAAAAA!!!

You don't even know what a clove hitch is, so just drink your Red Bull and shut up.

I never use them!