Aerial Rescue

[squad143]

The first thing to do on every job is to pre set a second life line,attatch it to the saddle,have your spurs at the bottom of the line ready to go.

If I were to have a pair of extra spurs at the bottom of every tree I was in...................





I'd have a pretty bent pair of spurs in no time.

 

[jefflovstrom]

I would only cut there line as a last resort. You can use a pussik loop and make a 2 to1 and pick a person up enough that you can just unclip there system.

You do not cut their line or un-clip their system.
Jeff

 

[thepheniox]

The more this is discussed the more I am feeling its a bad idea. Unclipping, cutting ropes, having someone unfamiliar with the equipment advancing a rope with a pole all sound like an accident waiting to happen. It takes years to gain the experience to perform a rescue and understand tree dynamics.

 

[ROPECLIMBER]

Did a quick google search and found this article,

TCIA | Aerial Rescue .

Paul

 

[superjunior]

You do not cut their line or un-clip their system.
Jeff

In the rescue I performed I brought a bull rope up with me, tied him off to his center d's and cut his rope. I didn't have time to think - I just did. He was lowered right down onto a stretcher in what seemed like under 2 minutes. It was the fastest I ever climbed anything.

The ACRT class I took this was one of a few acceptable methods

 

[2treeornot2tree]

You do not cut their line or un-clip their system.
Jeff

Well that is the difference between a tree climber and a fd rescuer. In the fire department high angle rescue, you are taught to not trust there systems. The ropes we use are rated for 2 people. It would take me no longer to unclip then and bring them down while i stradel them. I have done this in training classes out of a 5th story window, and it is very fast. What everyone has to understand is that the fire company have different standards.

 

[2treeornot2tree]

The more this is discussed the more I am feeling its a bad idea. Unclipping, cutting ropes, having someone unfamiliar with the equipment advancing a rope with a pole all sound like an accident waiting to happen. It takes years to gain the experience to perform a rescue and understand tree dynamics.

First off, no one that isnt properly trained and comfortable doing a aerial rescue will be doing this. I know alot of arborsits that advance there line with a pole. The only difference between doing a rescue out of a tree and off of a building is the anchor points. With a tree you may have to climb up the the person first. On a cliff, you may have to raise the person back up to the top. As far as tree dynamics go, If someone can rig a anchor point to rappel over a cliff only using 4 2" trees, they can figure out which crotch to get a rope into.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Well that is the difference between a tree climber and a fd rescuer. In the fire department high angle rescue, you are taught to not trust there systems. The ropes we use are rated for 2 people. It would take me no longer to unclip then and bring them down while i stradel them. I have done this in training classes out of a 5th story window, and it is very fast. What everyone has to understand is that the fire company have different standards.

Oh, well, I am not a fireman and trees don't have a fifth story window.
I got to check ANSI and see what it say's about it. Nah, I already know.
Maybe what work's for FD op's should take a back seat to the CTW that should be training them.
Jeff
p.s. not trying to argue.

 

[arborjockey]

You do not cut their line or un-clip their system.
Jeff

If he's my climber and i can see his rope is clear maybe he can repel down it..If the guys hurt I take all precations. That means I assume the guy is a complete idiot. I do not trust his knot nore his rope. I don't know if he cut the rope during the injury and on the way down it breaks. What if its not long enough. The trick with A.R. is you have to be fast. Idealy you take his lines off. You can put a friction knot on his rope above his D rings, and put a caribeaner on the knot. Then put a piece of webbing on the d rings and through the caribinear. Step down on the webbing, to take his weight off his connections. Diconnect and lower.(obviously your already tied into him). To me that's to much time. Connect to him, cut or disconnect his rope, and come down.

Tha last aerial rescue class I took the instructor was an english prude.
I had been teasing his canadian buddy who was a real fat kid and a ####ty climber. So when it came to the event he said " watch out anything can happen " he tied a knot in my rope while I was tying into the dummy. Thenh he threw it over 2 branches. Last he tied the dummys rope to a branch. I cleared my rope but when his hung up I pulled a knife and cut it. He said pretend its a real life and death situation.so I did. My time was around 2min 30 sec the canadian took over 12min.

When I flew steel they had a rescue device. If I remember correctly it was a lowering device and a fancy fiddle block. Connect both. Raise with fiddle then disconnect victims lines and then lower. When we stacked celltowers we climbed all the way down. No ropes to descend. Legally you need 2 ropes to descend in that industry.