alder prices in PNW

[Skeans]

nah its all based on diameter, bigger pays better etc, they take anything 16' to 40' (though if you can find decent 40' alder logs...)

the "soft" wood folks have the tier thing going strong though, both lengths and diameters, and grades on top of all that.

The last time I did an alder job that went to NW down in Longview they had tier for all the same as softwoods but they were also owned by Weyco then as well.

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[northmanlogging]

think they are still owned by weyco, but after 09 or so they re configured everything. They had a mill in Arlington where the buyer would try and move his own logger friends in on jobs small fry guys where trying to cut... guys like me... then they attempted to out buy another local mill by paying twice the amount, got up to something ridiculous like 1800 per 1k. Then they shut down, place has since been mostly leveled. The other mill, Smith St, in Everett ended up surviving that mess, but got sold, the new owner decided that he never needed to sign checks, unless you came in and beat on the door and hollered and screamed... then whined the whole time that he couldn't get any logs... They shut down too. I mean the guy wasn't even paying the trucks.

 

[r black]

alder ,when I used to live there went for $80 a cord split and stacked and I helped load it that was in 1970's in the lake Stevens area ....looks like the cost of living went up ?

 

[northmanlogging]

alder ,when I used to live there went for $80 a cord split and stacked and I helped load it that was in 1970's in the lake Stevens area ....looks like the cost of living went up ?

Funny im sittin in lk stevens right now... tweekers and hillbillies have kept the fire wood price around 200-250 fer awhile now, got outa that racket

 

[Skeans]

think they are still owned by weyco, but after 09 or so they re configured everything. They had a mill in Arlington where the buyer would try and move his own logger friends in on jobs small fry guys where trying to cut... guys like me... then they attempted to out buy another local mill by paying twice the amount, got up to something ridiculous like 1800 per 1k. Then they shut down, place has since been mostly leveled. The other mill, Smith St, in Everett ended up surviving that mess, but got sold, the new owner decided that he never needed to sign checks, unless you came in and beat on the door and hollered and screamed... then whined the whole time that he couldn't get any logs... They shut down too. I mean the guy wasn't even paying the trucks.

Did some checking another company has bought them out. To your other part was the mill getting full? I know down here if you're not accredited or a certified logger you'll be first to be cut off as well as first to see a price down heck there's a few price sheets for a lot of mills.

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[northmanlogging]

Nah only one mill ever has space ussues around here and they stiill usuallt manage to keep payin.

The one that didn't wasn't paying anyone creditors, loggers, truckers, parts people, maybe even employees.

Damned shame since they was a pretty good outfit before the new guy took over...

 

[madhatte]

Seems to me alder peaked hereabouts around 2011. It's been less flakey since than it was before but those prices haven't returned yet.

 

[Skeans]

Seems to me alder peaked hereabouts around 2011. It's been less flakey since than it was before but those prices haven't returned yet.

The 1200 and 1500 prices were nice that was the first time I've seen them pay more for short then long lengths.

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[madhatte]

Yeah, exactly -- my boss was a hurry to capitalize on that and had me lay out a sale, so I found a half-million board-feet or so just in time for the ice storm of 2012 to bust out all the tops and reduce it to a red-stained mess that we ended up selling by the ton. Oh, well, at least we have it replanted now.

 

[Skeans]

Yeah, exactly -- my boss was a hurry to capitalize on that and had me lay out a sale, so I found a half-million board-feet or so just in time for the ice storm of 2012 to bust out all the tops and reduce it to a red-stained mess that we ended up selling by the ton. Oh, well, at least we have it replanted now.

We did as well, what all does Washington Loggers Accreditation entail?

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[madhatte]

Honestly I am not sure as I work for the DOD and so we're insulated from a lot of state regs; however, I reckon Northy might have a few ideas.

 

[northmanlogging]

We did as well, what all does Washington Loggers Accreditation entail?

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There is a website that explains it better then me loggers.com

But its basically 40hrs of forestry related schooling, first aid/cpr card, then like 16 or 20 hrs of forestry related stuff every year, things like wetlands mitigation erosion control etc etc etc.

I'm not accredited if that means anything, costs more then its worth.

 

[Skeans]

There is a website that explains it better then me loggers.com

But its basically 40hrs of forestry related schooling, first aid/cpr card, then like 16 or 20 hrs of forestry related stuff every year, things like wetlands mitigation erosion control etc etc etc.

I'm not accredited if that means anything, costs more then its worth.

I wouldn't say that it does open up jobs to even small woodlands and it does make a difference to a mill some places here won't buy from you unless they're completely out.

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[northmanlogging]

Meh, I've been at it long enough that the mills I use know me well enough, the ones I don't use regularly are simply out of range to bother with, or they don't care either.

Sierra Pacific, Hampton, and a couple of others, can get picky but you just have to call ahead and let em know what yer up to.

After this year, and the amount of wood that has been stuffed through all the mills that are left, Every one of em still has room in their yard, unless they are smallish and had a breakdown or too... (Fritch... Beck...)

And they are crying for more, if it gets to the point of mills not accepting wood, then its probably a sign that the prices are, or are about to, drop out of the bottom.

 

[northmanlogging]

One of the last big log mills,as in big logs for big timbers, is about to lease out half of its log yard because they simply can't keep it full.

 

[Trx250r180]

Alder burns good not as long as maple but better then fir,

The alder i burn in the shop does not seem to make as good of heat as fir for me ,maybe it is too green still ?

 

[northmanlogging]

Fir is better,

Alder arguably burns a wee bit longer but less heat, its just so easy to process though

 

[Skeans]

Fir is better,

Alder arguably burns a wee bit longer but less heat, its just so easy to process though

If you want something hot burn some Vine Maple just make sure there's not too much of it I've heard of guys burning stoves down with it.

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[ArtB]

I have used vine maple for ax and peavey handles, works rather well for the peavey handles, not quite as good as hickory for axe handles thoough.

3 grandsons are 14-19 YO now, they STILL love to climb about 20 feet up and 'spring' to the ground on a vine maple stem. 2 of them are over 6 ft, they need to find a fairly stout stem now.

 

[Skeans]

I have used vine maple for ax and peavey handles, works rather well for the peavey handles, not quite as good as hickory for axe handles thoough.

3 grandsons are 14-19 YO now, they STILL love to climb about 20 feet up and 'spring' to the ground on a vine maple stem. 2 of them are over 6 ft, they need to find a fairly stout stem now.

They work great for laying a big fir you need to save out as well.

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