Timberwerks
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First question, is this stuff any better than the Husky XP mix?
Second, should I use this at 100:1 or stay with 50:1?
Dale
Second, should I use this at 100:1 or stay with 50:1?
Dale
Amsoil Saber Professional Oil ?'s
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I believe high quality synthetics are better but do not have any specific data on the Husqvarna oil. I have used the Saber oil at both 50:1 and 32:1 and would consider going as lean as 80:1 depending on the application. Oil is cheap compared to motors. Why run on the edge? Simply my opinion.
You would be much better served by a good synthetic oil at a 32:1 ratio over Amsoil saber.
premix
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Amsoil recommends 50:1 when used as a premix with this oil. I certainly would not use this oil at 100:1 or any oil for that matter in a 10,000 + RPM 2 stroke. I've used it in bikes and chainsaws but at 32:1 - 40:1. Seems to be a good oil from what I have seen. So is Castrol TTS, Mobil MX2T, and Echo Power blend.Timberwerks said:
DanManofStihl
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ams oil saber
I use the amsoil saber mix it works very well and it is cheaper to use then the stihl or huisky mix and does not make as much smoke. I have never fouled a plug using the amsoil mix.
I use the amsoil saber mix it works very well and it is cheaper to use then the stihl or huisky mix and does not make as much smoke. I have never fouled a plug using the amsoil mix.
premix said:
Premix unless something has changed Amsoil Sabre premix is recommended at 100:1 not 50:1 or am I mistaken here somehow.
I normally run it in chainsaws as I consider this a heavy-duty application mixed at 75:1 to 80:1.
premix
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You are correct my bad. For dumb reason some reason I had Amsoil Interceptor in my head when I wrote this post.Lobo said:
premix said:
Thanks Premix, I have been using Amsoil 100:1 for many years in all kinds of 2 cycles without ever having a problem. I really like the stuff.
Great protection also: Saber Professional is recommended for pre-mix where ISO-L-EGD, JASO FC or API TC is specified.
Jackman61
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I'm going to be blunt here. All the folks running your "wonder oil" at 100:1, may God bless you. I am not putting my $500-$700 equipment to work at such a low level of oil. In direct conflict with the MFG's reccomendation, I'd say you are putting a large investment in jeopardy, at the "claim" of an oil manufacturer. What is the benefit of 100:1 that is so much better than 50:1? Do you save on oil that much?? I will be quite happy at 50:1 with MX2T. How much do yo pay for "wonder oil"? At 100:1 are you saving pennies per tankful???
Not a wonder oil at all, simply start with the highest quality available base stocks and use the highest quality additives with it.
I have equipment costing well over $1000.00 running Amsoil and for years now no problems and no no failure.
To each his own I guess, but it has proven itself to me and I feel comfortable using it. I will take Amsoil over many other name oils such as Castrol and many others.
One of these days I will try Mobil MX2T, I have no fear at all of using it as it is a true synthetic.
For me there is synthetics such as Amsoil and Mobil and then there is all the rest.
I have equipment costing well over $1000.00 running Amsoil and for years now no problems and no no failure.
To each his own I guess, but it has proven itself to me and I feel comfortable using it. I will take Amsoil over many other name oils such as Castrol and many others.
One of these days I will try Mobil MX2T, I have no fear at all of using it as it is a true synthetic.
For me there is synthetics such as Amsoil and Mobil and then there is all the rest.
Timberwerks
ArboristSite Operative
Lobo said:
So, 100:1 will be safe? Being new to this oil I'm asking questions before I put it in the saws. As far as cost I think it pretty fair. Not sure if I can mention price?
Dale
Timberwerks said:
I have also posted elsewhere that for saws i use Amsoil Sabre premix mixed around 75:1 to 80:1 which is what use to be recommended by Amsoil for heavy-duty applications. I do not know if that recommendation is still on their web site or not.
In lesser revving engines I have gone to 100:1 such as on weed wackers, hedge trimmers.
Thats complete and utter tripe directly from the Amsoil sale sheet.
Amsoil doesnt produce any of there own base components and as such are at the mercy of what Mobil will sell them. Mobil will not sell them any of their proprietary base oils or additive packages so in effect Amsoil uses a several generation old base oil and a lesser qaulity additive package from Lubrizol. The "technology" (if you want to call it that) behind these 100:1 oils is quite simple. They use a very high molecular weight base stock along with a heavy does of mettalic based antiwear additives. This approach is not only hamfisted, but also destroys any chance of them passing either the iso or jaso tests. To repeat myself, there is no way in heck that these oils will pass the ISO EGD test or the JASO FC test. Thats why they use the jargin " for use in applications that require" in theie sales sheets. As I have said before and have seen with my owns eyes, these 100:1 oils smoke very little( no good oil does no days), but build up substantial deposits in the rings land area and on the piston dome. There is no free lunch in lubing a two stroke and the idea of running less oil is simply stupid. BTW for severe applications amsoil reccomends 80-50:1 I believe. Regardless your warranty is now thrown out the window and you will have to collect for Amsoil should you have a problem....Good luck.
I might also point out from a pure cost point it is more expensive to run amsoil at 100:1 vs. a good oil at 32:1. I was considering using the Amsoil 100:1 outboard stuff at my fishing lodge becase we go through massive quantities of two cycle oil. thats was untill I ran the numbers on it and found out it was cost prohibitive.
Ben, they promote on their web site and on their packaging that Saber Professional is recommended for pre-mix where ISO-L-EGD, JASO FC or API TC is specified. If not so rated than the feds or so meone else should call them on it for false advertising and falsely claiming their oil meets these standards if they do not.
So far to my knowledge they have not been taken to court and then I must ask the question why not ?
So far to my knowledge they have not been taken to court and then I must ask the question why not ?
Lobo, They never claim to pass any standards so there is no reason to take them to court. Here is a cut and paste from their website what they do say.
"Saber Professional is recommended for pre-mix WHERE ISO-L-EGD, JASO FC or API TC
is specified."
"Saber Professional is recommended for ISO-L-EGD applications "
Notic that in not one place does it say that saber "meets" these standards, let alone having been actually tested. Simply because they cant.... To give you some background portions of the ISO and JASO tests use ratios greater than 20:1.
"Saber Professional is recommended for pre-mix WHERE ISO-L-EGD, JASO FC or API TC
is specified."
"Saber Professional is recommended for ISO-L-EGD applications "
Notic that in not one place does it say that saber "meets" these standards, let alone having been actually tested. Simply because they cant.... To give you some background portions of the ISO and JASO tests use ratios greater than 20:1.
Blowdown1
ArboristSite Operative
Ben, how do you know where Amsoil sources their base stocks? (I'm not challenging, just asking).
I have used Amsoil before (in 4 strokes) and had good results, but always thought it was too pricey, and MLM is a bogus sales approach IMHO.
But I have always been curious about what they actually make versus acquiring from other companies and tweaking to their "standards".
I have used Amsoil before (in 4 strokes) and had good results, but always thought it was too pricey, and MLM is a bogus sales approach IMHO.
But I have always been curious about what they actually make versus acquiring from other companies and tweaking to their "standards".
This info was givin to me by someone inside the Amsoil orginization a few years ago. It makes sense when you consider that Mobil has a strangle hold on the market for certain molecular weight PAO's In some cases Mobil is the only maker inside the country for certain base oils. It aslo comes as no supprise that Mobil will not sell amsoil there best base oils or any of their in house developed additives.
I know Amsoil 4 cycle oils like so many others test to ASTM standards (American Society for Testing and Materials), ASTM standards govern the majority of testing performed on motor oils in North America.
I do not however know if their 2 cycle oils are tested to ASTM standards or not.
I do not however know if their 2 cycle oils are tested to ASTM standards or not.
The ASTM has tests( actually sets the standards for physical properties tests) for things such as viscosity, pour point, etc. They have nothing to do with oil standards or performance tests. Besides Amsoil does not get any of there 4 cycle oils tested anyway with the exception of a few of the XL-7500 non synthetics and one of there syn blend HDEO's.
