Your house scared you?
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Your house scared you?
bthompson224
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Yes, it's very ugly.
No, tree was leaning over the house. When it dropped, it fell right along the side, not what I planned.
My house has been scaring me with the smoke alarm going off at random times.:msp_ohmy:
Perhaps it is time to mention the Slopping Back Cut? Anyone?
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RandyMac
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My house has been scaring me with the smoke alarm going off at random times.:msp_ohmy:
Perhaps it is time to mention the Slopping Back Cut? Anyone?
You just did
Karl Robbers
ArboristSite Operative
I can only comment on this from my own knowledge, which of course relates to Australian law.
1/ Volunteers are subject to the same rules and protections as a paid employee.
2/ Volunteer organisations must hold current insurance policies covering their volunteers, (workers compensation we call it) and public liabilities.
3/ The consequence of this, applied to the original situation would be that the saw would have to meet all relevant standards, (chain brake, anti vibration, muffler etc). The operator would be required to wear appropriate PPE, (chaps or cut proof trousers, helmet, face protection and ear muffs along with safety footwear), a first aid kit would be required on site. The operator would be required to hold current tickets of competency such as trim and cross cut or in this case, a fallers ticket, which of course require demonstrated competence and must be renewed at defined intervals.
4/ If an injury had occurred as a result of this incident in my Home State, Tasmania, the following fines could have been incurred. The individual $50,000 AUD, (for not working in a safe manner), The organisation $150,000 AUD along with possible jail terms for the responsible officer of the organisation, who would also be subject to a fine of up to $150,000 AUD, (both for failing to ensure a safe workplace and failing to provide safe systems of work).
5/ Ignorance would not be considered a defence although, if the organisation had provided training and certification and had a policy of no ticket, no job and the operator just decided to be a cowboy, they would have fulfilled their duty of care and would most probably not be prosecuted and the operator would still be prosecuted and have any potential compensation payment reduced due to negligence on their part.
This may sound very "Big Brotherish", but in fact, it actually works quite well and goes much of the way to ensuring the safety of all who take part in such activities.
The OP definitely did the right thing by informing the hierarchy of the organisation. Seeing as they have offered no reply, my next step would be to contact the workplace regulator., (OHSA is it in America?), and make a complaint.
You would be doing the individual, the organisation and yourself a favour.
Any lawyer would hang that organisation out to dry in the event of an injury or a fatality.
1/ Volunteers are subject to the same rules and protections as a paid employee.
2/ Volunteer organisations must hold current insurance policies covering their volunteers, (workers compensation we call it) and public liabilities.
3/ The consequence of this, applied to the original situation would be that the saw would have to meet all relevant standards, (chain brake, anti vibration, muffler etc). The operator would be required to wear appropriate PPE, (chaps or cut proof trousers, helmet, face protection and ear muffs along with safety footwear), a first aid kit would be required on site. The operator would be required to hold current tickets of competency such as trim and cross cut or in this case, a fallers ticket, which of course require demonstrated competence and must be renewed at defined intervals.
4/ If an injury had occurred as a result of this incident in my Home State, Tasmania, the following fines could have been incurred. The individual $50,000 AUD, (for not working in a safe manner), The organisation $150,000 AUD along with possible jail terms for the responsible officer of the organisation, who would also be subject to a fine of up to $150,000 AUD, (both for failing to ensure a safe workplace and failing to provide safe systems of work).
5/ Ignorance would not be considered a defence although, if the organisation had provided training and certification and had a policy of no ticket, no job and the operator just decided to be a cowboy, they would have fulfilled their duty of care and would most probably not be prosecuted and the operator would still be prosecuted and have any potential compensation payment reduced due to negligence on their part.
This may sound very "Big Brotherish", but in fact, it actually works quite well and goes much of the way to ensuring the safety of all who take part in such activities.
The OP definitely did the right thing by informing the hierarchy of the organisation. Seeing as they have offered no reply, my next step would be to contact the workplace regulator., (OHSA is it in America?), and make a complaint.
You would be doing the individual, the organisation and yourself a favour.
Any lawyer would hang that organisation out to dry in the event of an injury or a fatality.
My house has been scaring me with the smoke alarm going off at random times.:msp_ohmy:
Perhaps it is time to mention the Slopping Back Cut? Anyone?
Does Tud use the Slopping Back Cut? I'll bet Chase does.
ckelp
just being myself
have you ever cut a tree down? i know randy and 2dogs have cut a christmas tree down with a circular saw:spam:
roberte
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Wow, there's some good stuff in here. :msp_razz:
RandyMac
Stiff Member
You need to get out more often.
Kinda hard to use some technical techniques on a 12" tree. By the time you put in a small notch there is nothing left to do a bore cut.
Harry K
StihlKiwi
ArboristSite Guru
You could still cut the heart out or quarter-cut a 12" tree. Always depends on the specific circumstances though doesn't it
StihlKiwi
ArboristSite Guru
My thoughts are that you did the right thing by getting his attention when you first saw something not right.
When you told him to put a face in did he have any idea why he should, or did he just do it to appease you and go back to what he had planned to do?
Philip Wheelock
Finis Origine Pendet
Volunteer organizations typically rely on unskilled labor. Where chainsaws are involved, that's a dangerous combination. Best to avoid this type of activity like the plague.
Standard bore cut technique would have been useful in this situation.
Standard bore cut technique would have been useful in this situation.
My thoughts are,
Your relationship to the club /organizations /municipality that own the property and the volunteering club/organization is left out of this.
I would say bring it up at the next meeting not email, email can get forwarded all over the place brought up at a meeting the secretary has some discretion as to what to put in the minutes.
Don't go to the work party if you don't feel safe around the volunteers.
I am a member of a club with some land and the actual injuries have been after getting the saw stuck.
Cary some lumber crayon and draw the notch on the tree for the guy, some folks just don't do to well in the boss/instructor role.
Philip Wheelock
Finis Origine Pendet
Steep, shallow face cut should allow enough room for a bore cut with a small saw and 16" bar. You're right that there's not much room for error.
I have successfully used a Coos Bay cut in a smaller, around 8 inch, alder. I was cutting with Twinkle, who had a 28 inch bar on her. No boring required. Size would not matter for that method.
Hey you! You better talk nice or at the next GTG we'll chain you to a tree and make you watch continuous episodes of AxMen until your head explodes.
Naaaahhh...that's cruel and unusual punishment. We'll think of something else. Something worse.
Adirondackstihl
Flyz, Fuel & Fotos
I've got a few wicked barber chairs just waiting to happen. One is a box elder with a SEVERE lean over the corner of my back yard.
I want the tree gone, but there's no good way to go about it. Its growing a few degrees off horizontal and approx. 15-16 DBH.
To top it all off, the low side is rotten in the core.
Then theres another box elder.....probably 32" DBH with SEVERE lean over my property line onto the neighboring American Legion parking lot. This one is rotten on the high side at the stump. To be quite honest, I'm not sure how this thing has held up as long as it has.
I'll some pictures tonight when I get home.
If any of ya'll wanna come over and give me hand it would be much obliged :msp_thumbup:
I'll supply all the food and drink you can consume. (for that day at least):msp_tongue:
:help:
I want the tree gone, but there's no good way to go about it. Its growing a few degrees off horizontal and approx. 15-16 DBH.
To top it all off, the low side is rotten in the core.
Then theres another box elder.....probably 32" DBH with SEVERE lean over my property line onto the neighboring American Legion parking lot. This one is rotten on the high side at the stump. To be quite honest, I'm not sure how this thing has held up as long as it has.
I'll some pictures tonight when I get home.
If any of ya'll wanna come over and give me hand it would be much obliged :msp_thumbup:
I'll supply all the food and drink you can consume. (for that day at least):msp_tongue:
:help:
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Hey, I'm right here. Sometimes I'm a little late to the party, but i'm usually just giving Darwin a ride to the awards banquet.
Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence Bob. I guess I just go home and sharpen up the Fiskars. I just need to decide on anvil or by-pass today.
woodchuck357
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I think you should go with the by-pass.
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