Boak Logging

[forestryworks]

http://www.northcoastjournal.com/072403/cover0724.html

Old news, but I thought it was a good article. The guy had some points that I liked, especially on clearcutting. I'm gonna do a little more research on what he's saying.

And while environmental advocates, many citizens and some foresters advocate selective logging, Boak insists that clear-cutting followed by reforestation is the best way to produce redwood and Douglas fir. "Thinning seems to be the political way to do it, but it's the worst way in the world to grow fir and redwood," he says. "You create a tree that starts growing more limbs down low. It grows shorter instead of taller and wider at the butt. You create an expensive logging job."

 

[GASoline71]

Not to mention how much of a PITA it is to yard logs out of a thinnin' operation.

Gary

 

[rlwheeler1]

That was a pretty good read thanks for posting.

 

[Taxmantoo]

Clearcutting and replanting would be closer to the natural (forest fire) way, wouldn't it?

 

[slowp]

Once again, it depends on where you are and how old your trees are. We've got areas that were thinned, some more than once-commercially thinned, and they are doing great, with limbs up high where they are supposed to be, and height also.

Yes, there should be more clearcuts, but unfortunately, I've been told by those in charge, "It aint gonna happen." For us, the only way will be to stress making some kind of wildlife openings, or huckleberry habitat, and then those that are in charge may insist that no profit is to be made--leave the trees on the ground and burn them or leave them standing and burn it.

Doesn't make sense, so I'm happy we can thin. Even if it is harder to yard through. By the way, the fallers say they like thinnings better. At least the guys around here say so. opcorn:

 

[Taxmantoo]

By the way, the fallers say they like thinnings better. At least the guys around here say so. opcorn:

With a clearcut, how much harder is it for the fallers do take them all down without making a dangerous pile of ten ton jackstraws?

 

[Greystoke]

Sounds like quite a guy. The only thing that I noticed was odd was this quote: "They figured if they saved 60 or 90 feet out of an [old-growth] tree, that was fine." Has to be a mis-print, or taken out of context. Unless they are talking lineal feet and not board feet? Even if it is lineal feet, that is a terrible save!

 

[slowp]

With a clearcut, how much harder is it for the fallers do take them all down without making a dangerous pile of ten ton jackstraws?

Takes a good sale administrator/forester too. The fallers are good, they don't have too much trouble. According to them, it takes a bit more thinking to get the trees on the ground. If they are limblocked I get called and go down to OK (with my paint) taking more trees out. Same if ithey are hung up.

A couple other small perks of thinnings are shade in the summer for the crew and less snow in the winter because of the sheltering of the leave trees. But otherwise, thinnings are slower and take more time.

 

[slowp]

Sounds like quite a guy. The only thing that I noticed was odd was this quote: "They figured if they saved 60 or 90 feet out of an [old-growth] tree, that was fine." Has to be a mis-print, or taken out of context. Unless they are talking lineal feet and not board feet? Even if it is lineal feet, that is a terrible save!

I think he's talking lineal feet. That happened here if the mill bid too high for the stumpage. Then they only seemed to care about getting large diameter 40 foot logs out. The rest of the tree be damned.

 

[Burvol]

He sounds like a nice enough man. It's hard to write about loggers from the non-logger point of view. As for the clearcuts,
call me old fashioned or evil, but I still enjoy a good clearcut!!!

 

[Gologit]

He sounds like a nice enough man. It's hard to write about loggers from the non-logger point of view. As for the clearcuts,
call me old fashioned or evil, but I still enjoy a good clearcut!!!

Yup...except for the dog hair stuff.

 

[Burvol]

Yup...except for the dog hair stuff.

I was refering to the stuff similar to what you had down there in the Bedrock days, LOL. Nice wood.

Good morning Bob

 

[slowp]

Curse you! Now The Flintstones song is stuck in my head.

And will probably be there all day!

Oh well, maybe I'll sing it if there is a meeting. :greenchainsaw:

 

[Gologit]

I was refering to the stuff similar to what you had down there in the Bedrock days, LOL. Nice wood.

Good morning Bob

LOLOLOL...Hey, T-Rex could really skid those OG butt cuts.

 

[Gologit]

Curse you! Now The Flintstones song is stuck in my head.

And will probably be there all day!

Oh well, maybe I'll sing it if there is a meeting. :greenchainsaw:

Video please. With audio.

 

[Burvol]

LOLOLOL...Hey, T-Rex could really skid those OG butt cuts.

California is where the big stick still lives. There is alot of nice sticks left here, but the magnitude of what you guys still have and had LOL is staggering. My buddy just finished a roadside burn job down there...Big time wood.

 

[Greystoke]

He sounds like a nice enough man. It's hard to write about loggers from the non-logger point of view. As for the clearcuts,
call me old fashioned or evil, but I still enjoy a good clearcut!!!

Me too pardner!

 

[slowp]

I wouldn't have to pack the heavy cans of paint around so much if we clearcut. But I don't like the way the logs would shift and begin to roll on the clearcuts--but you just had to stay out and look in from the edges.

And there's my everlasting shameless plug for more huckleberry habitat! Along with elk habitat. Saw 10 this morning in front of my pickup. I fumbled too much with the camera to get pictures.

 

[Humptulips]

Once again, it depends on where you are and how old your trees are. We've got areas that were thinned, some more than once-commercially thinned, and they are doing great, with limbs up high where they are supposed to be, and height also.

Yes, there should be more clearcuts, but unfortunately, I've been told by those in charge, "It aint gonna happen." For us, the only way will be to stress making some kind of wildlife openings, or huckleberry habitat, and then those that are in charge may insist that no profit is to be made--leave the trees on the ground and burn them or leave them standing and burn it.

Doesn't make sense, so I'm happy we can thin. Even if it is harder to yard through. By the way, the fallers say they like thinnings better. At least the guys around here say so. opcorn:

WDFW is in the beginnings of a process of putting together an EIS for reintroducing grizzly bears to the Cascades. One of the points I heard mentioned was the bears need more clearcuts on federal lands to allow for hucleberries to grow (bear food).
I'm not sure if the bear food was berries or berry pickers. That part was unclear.

 

[Gologit]

WDFW is in the beginnings of a process of putting together an EIS for reintroducing grizzly bears to the Cascades. One of the points I heard mentioned was the bears need more clearcuts on federal lands to allow for hucleberries to grow (bear food).
I'm not sure if the bear food was berries or berry pickers. That part was unclear.

That's okay, the bears will figure it out.