Bore cutting? (3)

[barkies]

Hey uninformed
order dent's book from bailey's it will clear up a lot of your questions does not deal a lot with bore cutting but will explain all the relationships between hinge holding wood and backcutting

 

[treejunkie13]

Did you notice the release power on the bucks?

Smokechase, I guess I don't follow???

 

[smokechase II]

Jerking motion

When the buck is just about finished, two different binds force the cut ends apart crisply.

You know, I just didn't describe it very well.

They had video of a few instances where the jump was far enough where a longer bar is obviously a desirable gift of space. You can't always hide behind a tree.

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Trivia:

Oregon has no training / testing / certification program for loggers.
Sorry to state the obvious, Anyone watching AxMen could probably deduct that.
My Brother-in-Law puts it typically.
No desk jockey is gonna tell him how to cut a tree. Or similar phrasing with perhaps some variance in wording to make it colorful.

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Here is a recent article in the local paper concerning AxMen complaining about OSHA.

http://www.timberbuysell.com/Community/DisplayNews.asp?id=2896

Note:
"Browning said two of his loggers have suffered serious accidents since the company started growing in 2003.

We've had two amputations, but still no investigations, he said. Then a TV show comes up and I'm on a job site, and here's our OSHA investigator."

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Nobody said anything about the investigations being legit.
Just a big Wah about its 'cause we were on TV.

 

[HolmenTree]

Back in the early 90's I felled for a short time for Mac Blo on steep terrain on northern Vancouver Island,B.C. Alot of big cedar and fir,I had no problem getting used to the rain, kind of nice actually ,no bugs, was always cool,some of the most loyal guys I ever worked with and you had the best views on earth. If the union hadn't gone on strike I'd still be there. So it was back to flat Manitoba.

I too have been trained the GOL techniques, but it is not for every region,on steep terrain, tall timber [I mean timber 150' plus] this is a different breed of logging. When I cut those tall trees on the Island you can't see whats up there , there is hungup limbs & wood falling continually from trees you cut a half hour ago. You spend more time looking up for your own safety then concentrating at the stump.
Sure miss that beautiful west cost.

Willard

 

[slowp]

When the buck is just about finished, two different binds force the cut ends apart crisply.

You know, I just didn't describe it very well.

They had video of a few instances where the jump was far enough where a longer bar is obviously a desirable gift of space. You can't always hide behind a tree.

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Trivia:

Oregon has no training / testing / certification program for loggers.
Sorry to state the obvious, Anyone watching AxMen could probably deduct that.
My Brother-in-Law puts it typically.
No desk jockey is gonna tell him how to cut a tree. Or similar phrasing with perhaps some variance in wording to make it colorful.

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Here is a recent article in the local paper concerning AxMen complaining about OSHA.

http://www.timberbuysell.com/Community/DisplayNews.asp?id=2896

Note:
"Browning said two of his loggers have suffered serious accidents since the company started growing in 2003.

We've had two amputations, but still no investigations, he said. Then a TV show comes up and I'm on a job site, and here's our OSHA investigator."

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Nobody said anything about the investigations being legit.
Just a big Wah about its 'cause we were on TV.

Let me describe it. You are bucking a log. Suddenly, KAWHAM, one half pops up. Since you are using a longer bar, you are shaken, but OK. With a short bar, at best, maybe your arms got hit; worst case: your head/face. Kind of a bucking barber chair. I took some pictures of stumps, pistol butts etc. on a steep 90 to 100% slope yesterday. I haven't downloaded them yet, but they are a better example of what goes on here. And it isn't in a clear cut either.

 

[snowyman]

That makes sense, cutting for quality v. production cutting. The timber I'm cutting is pretty rough, lots of it goes to the chipper anyway. I cut long logs, (42') which leaves plenty for trim for the saw and peeler logs.

On a good day I cut, buck, and limb 5 long logger loads. On a bad day I'll cut 3 loads. That's below average for a good cutter, but then, I'm 60 years old, and cut at a reduced speed from my better days.

I cut approx. 75-100 pieces/day. I usually have 3 saws on my strip with different length bars. The strip I'm cutting now is steep, in excess of 100% ground slope. Hands and knees to climb up, (two steps forward, slide back three), and would be impossible to cut with a 20" bar. Period.

As for pulling stump wood, I stay on the saw and cut the trees off cleanly while they're falling.

Lastly, don't use the Axmen as an example of west coast cutters, they're the lamest bunch of dumb ***** I've watched. I end up throwing stuff at the t.v. when I watch them.

I've been cutting for 40 years.

Me to, but you're making me feel it, I love flat ground.

As for Axemen, I didn't last 10 minutes.

Uninformed, I found this link here once it might help you, if you search "bore cut" osha.gov/SLTC/etools/logging/manual/felling/cuts/special_techniques/special_techniques.html

And before any of you jump on me, he said he has no experience.

Oh, and I picked the right arrow.

 

[056kid]

When you are cutting bigger hardwoods that have substantial lean it is an indispensable action. weather boring the center of a face out or plunging in behind your hinge to establish the desired amount of holding wood before the tree is even close to committing. A barber chair defense.

 

[Humptulips]

After reading all of this I'm surprised I see no mention of what I see as the most commonly used application.
Around here any more most of the timber being cut is second growth and when cut for tower logging now days it is almost without exception tree length. To do it right it all has to go the same way. The rigging crew has to work into the butts so a tree fell back and coming to it top first just won't work. This means a lot of trees that lean back end up getting pushed over. The old method was to wedge them up tight ,saw them up and then move back and tip another tree into it. Now the cutters will bore the back cut and leave a strap on the back, drop down 12 inches or so and saw in enough to cut off the wood in the strap. The strap cut like this will support the tree from setting back while you move back and tip another tree into it. Saves driving a wedge and retrieving it.
Use to do a lot of bore cutting when bucking but the processors take care of most of that now.

 

[smokechase II]

Sounds good

I work with a lot of dead wood but I'll have to try that on something green.

Then maybe move along onto dried out stuff cautiously.
Its probably just fine in most weaker woods as dried they have far less weight.

Thanks for the tip.

(I'm goona try the 12 inch lower strap cut at a slight angle down to perhaps hold the tree a little better. Does that sound reasonable?

 

[Bushler]

I never tried that Hump, but from experience I'd be reluctant to drive a tree without leaving a wedge in the driven tree.

Twice in one year bro and I lost saws by having the driven tree come back over the stump after the driver tree brushed by them instead of hitting them squarely.

Maybe I'm just old and set in my ways.

 

[Humptulips]

I work with a lot of dead wood but I'll have to try that on something green.

Then maybe move along onto dried out stuff cautiously.
Its probably just fine in most weaker woods as dried they have far less weight.

Thanks for the tip.

(I'm goona try the 12 inch lower strap cut at a slight angle down to perhaps hold the tree a little better. Does that sound reasonable?

Sounds good. I've used it on smaller trees. Nothing over about 2' and it worked good for me. Easier then using a wedge but I never tried it on anything of size. Some of the strips I see have a lot of them cut that way.

 

[buzz sawyer]

Good borecut video

This is pretty much the same presentation I saw at the Paul Bunyan Show. May not be for every tree, but it has it place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj1d85CLDOQ

 

[GASoline71]

I have never thought of logging as a "game"...

Funny thing is that those that use this GOL stuff... defend it like some sort of cult religion...

I don't need a protractor, calculator, and a plumb-bob to tell me where to place a backcut or make a facecut...

Use the gunnin' sight (or handlebar) on your saw to make your first cut to the lay... Dog in, and make your second face cut... open face above, humboldt below...

Third cut... bang on the wedges, and over she goes...

Gary

 

[2dogs]

I have never thought of logging as a "game"...

Funny thing is that those that use this GOL stuff... defend it like some sort of cult religion...

I don't need a protractor, calculator, and a plumb-bob to tell me where to place a backcut or make a facecut...

Use the gunnin' sight (or handlebar) on your saw to make your first cut to the lay... Dog in, and make your second face cut... open face above, humboldt below...

Third cut... bang on the wedges, and over she goes...

Gary

Heretic! May flaming 16:1 cleanse your soul.