Cabling

[ExcelWill]

Does anyone know the standards for cabling a tulip poplar? Is there a standard for thru bolting vs. lag bolts? And what size wood do you use 1/2" vs 5/8" lags? Is this a standard or just common practice?


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[treevet]

You belong in the 101 forum. Buy the ANSI Standard. Sounds like you need way more experience to undertake such an important task. I wouldn't put lags in a Tulip.

 

[Pelorus]

That ANSI Standard and Best Management Practices for tree support systems is available from many of the site sponsors, for example TreeStuff.

 

[treevet]

I have them both and well worth combined (you get a deal with both) maybe less than $25.

 

[gorman]

Rig guys. That's all I use.

 

[treevet]

garbage imo. prone to failure.

 

[gorman]

garbage imo. prone to failure.

I've never seen or had one fail. Not even in Irene or sandy. What do you use? Endz? Through bolts?

 

[treeclimber101]

Through bolts .

 

[JMcC]

What... no Tillitski love?

 

[gorman]

Treevet, on your accusation that they are prone to failure, what have you seen? I found nada on google. I like them since you don't have to drill a larger hole through the stem than the wire you're using.

 

[treevet]

deep holes are more negatively significant than smaller dia (Shigo...not from his books, from his mouth)....heard of failures over years in around 15 thousand posts on different forums. Just think about it logistically....diminishing diameter nut screwed onto cable with no threads holding the nut. Very untrustworthy imo. Would you install one above a playground? I wouldn't.

One time I figured over the years I have installed around 2500 cables in trees based on about 50 per year and this is likely a gross understatement. I sometimes instally 20 cables in a week when I put it off to a "cabling day".

 

[jefflovstrom]

Removal,,done,,
Jeff

 

[treeseer]

BMP costs $10; not perfect but recommended.

# of rigguy wirestops sold = 200,000+

# of failures in real life that resulted in lawsuit = ZERO?

It's fun to check in to Chainsawsite to hear the arborists.

 

[treevet]

luv it when a predominantly office oriented and seminar type arborist drops in for a minute, states all kinds of unsubstantiated facts (impossible to substantiate), then again disappears into the fog of 4 or 5 other forums he does the same thing on. just luv that kinda schite.

"instilling immortality"? really?....immortality?

 

[derwoodii]

ah a cabling thread, almost better than AS its quiet tonite fight ramble

each one by it own merits offer all options & the predictable outcomes to customer then if cable chosen use the gear that best suits guided by industry standard or best practice then adapt this as needed as trees own condition & structure will force your hand

me rarely but if do a tulip codit wont notice a though bolt hole much, but lost limb could condemn it

 

[treevet]

the English version of that pls. lol.

 

[treeseer]

Substantiate please: "..heard of failures over years in around 15 thousand posts on different forums." i think you're confused with wedgegrips which was not documented. let's see evidence of One!

"One time I figured over the years I have installed around 2500 cables in trees based on about 50 per year" so you've been doing it since you were 12?

ease up dave ok? this aint WWIII

 

[tree MDS]

I've never seen or had one fail. Not even in Irene or sandy. What do you use? Endz? Through bolts?

I've met and worked with the inventor/owner of endz. Pretty cool guy and a damn good treeman (arborist).

 

[gorman]

I've met and worked with the inventor/owner of endz. Pretty cool guy and a damn good treeman (arborist).

The tolerance between the wire and the ends cone is much tighter than on the rig guys. Probably a safer bet but a pain putting on the center strand I've found. I would have to take a flat file with myself aloft to smooth out the center strand after cutting.

 

[tree MDS]

The tolerance between the wire and the ends cone is much tighter than on the rig guys. Probably a safer bet but a pain putting on the center strand I've found. I would have to take a flat file with myself aloft to smooth out the center strand after cutting.

I was just looking at their website. They did mention that using high quality bolt cutters helps.

I've never used them, BTW, but know people that do. I hate cabling, personally.