Chain analysis

[zombywoof]

Wow....

Throw it away and get another chain. The chrome is peeled back and the cutters are burned. The 91P chain is made from a cheaper material (cutting corners on consumer type chains) so it doesn't hold up as well as a Stihl or Carlton chain. The 91P seems to cut pretty good out of the box but goes downhill quick.

 

[Justsaws]

Go to any chain manufacturers web site and look up cutting in cold weather or frozen wood. I am having a hard time believing that you do not notice any difference in the length of time your chain stays sharp. If you are changing angles then it must be different. Otherwise why change. Chain wear is impacted by hardness of wood. All frozen wood is harder and wears chain faster.

The original poster's chain looks like many that went dull fast and got pushed into the dirty wood hard.

 

[bwalker]

Go to any chain manufacturers web site and look up cutting in cold weather or frozen wood. I am having a hard time believing that you do not notice any difference in the length of time your chain stays sharp.

I dont know, nor care what the chain MFG say. I was out cutting the other day in -7 degree weather and my chain went through several tanks before needing a quick touch up. Wood was red oak and maple for the most part.
To me, it looks like he hit something substantial and then continued to force the saw to cut. Frozen wood didnt have anything to do with it.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

We cut frozen wood, and if there's a difference, it's not enough that I can tell.

 

[blis]

We cut frozen wood, and if there's a difference, it's not enough that I can tell.

Exactly....

And the reason why i use different angles on frozen wood is that with angles that suit not-frozen wood dont cut well as lower angles on frozen wood becouse the wood is harder.... But that difference shouldnt be any different than cutting soft wood and then switching to hard woods...

 

[Justsaws]

I dont know, nor care what the chain MFG say. I was out cutting the other day in -7 degree weather and my chain went through several tanks before needing a quick touch up. Wood was red oak and maple for the most part.
To me, it looks like he hit something substantial and then continued to force the saw to cut. Frozen wood didnt have anything to do with it.

Imagine my surprise at you not knowing or caring what a manufacturer of anything says or suggests. You make me smile almost every day.

Wow, you cut wood at -7. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhh and it was oak and maple and you did it the other day. Congratulations. I too cut wood( mostly locust, maple, cherry, elm and walnut) in the winter and below zero, yeah for me. I too have great success, otherwise I would not do it.

I do not believe that anywhere did I say that it cannot be done, however I have on many occasions experienced the joys of dealing with those who cannot and their chains look very similar to the original posters. They have not hit anything big or even all that hard but were at the very limits of cutting ability so that the influence of frozen wood at it's different characteristics knocks them out very quick. I see it a couple of times a week and it is always the same deal. They too say it cannot be the wood and usually blame the chain manufacturer for making a crappy chain. Makes me smile.

 

[bwalker]

Give it a rest. Your wrong, plain and simple. Several people, including myself said your FOS, so except it and move on.
For the last time frozen wood did not damage that chain. I deal with frozen wood for the majority of my cutting and have never had a chain look like that.

 

[blis]

Give it a rest. Your wrong, plain and simple. Several people, including myself said your FOS, so except it and move on.
For the last time frozen wood did not damage that chain. I deal with frozen wood for the majority of my cutting and have never had a chain look like that.

+1

 

[bwalker]

BTW in balmy, South Central Ohio how often are you below freezing in the winter, let alone below zero?

 

[tawilson]

+2.
-30F here last winter, no sweat. Hee hee hee.
How do I make a degree symbol? I know it's %%D, but it doesn't translate here.

 

[Fish]

You yankee puthies know nothing of cold like in Ky.

Heck, Elvis made a song about cold, Ky. rain......... So you all have no real
concept of cold........................ Since elvis did not actually retire to Mich,
you know not of what you speak......... And your doughnuts suck.......

 

[tawilson]

That's a damp cold. We have a dry cold here. It's different.

 

[Fish]

its not the heat, but the humidity...

 

[trimmmed]

+2.
-30F here last winter, no sweat. Hee hee hee.
How do I make a degree symbol? I know it's %%D, but it doesn't translate here.

I just use an asterisk * mostly cause I don't know how to do a degree symbol either

 

[drmiller100]

we bucked 30 cords in december. warmest day was 33 degrees Farenheit. Coldest was -10 F.

the wood was logs drug in Novembe through the mud, then allowed to sit and freeze HARD in the decks.

We have 4 chains. We would average 2 a day.

Typically we'd touch up the chain every tank of gas, unless we rocked it bad. This was pretty tough conditions I guess for chains, but we NEVER saw a chain as bad as teh first pic.

I'll agree with the folks that you need to go buy a new chain to learn what a decent chain will do. And I will agree with the folsk that you need to send your chain to someone who knows what they are doing, as saving that chain is not goign to be trivial. You need to grind a BUNCH off of it without burning it, which isn't trivial.

my bet is you rocked the chain, then spent 4 or 5 hours dogging the dull chain into wet wood, hitting more and more rocks.
doug

 

[bwalker]

Fish, its a good think you rebel mo fos have good Likker down on Kentucky, because you candie azzes would need it too keep warm if you spent any time in the UP.

 

[B_Turner]

I think that how a wood cut frozen depends on the wood. I don't chainsaw a lot of frozen wood, but I do lathe turn quite a bit of wood that I have stored in very cold freezers.

It's much harder generally and sometimes knots are tougher, like holly or madrone burl which are like butter fresh and like hard ice frozen. But cutting it is really not that much different besides requiring taking a smaller shaving and a glove on one hand to prevent the spray of shavings off the gouge from removing skin pretty quickly.

Doesn't wear tool edges all that much quicker in general when frozen. Some woods actually cut cleaner frozen.