chain speeds

[upandcommer]

ok here is my question I burnt the bar up on my old wildthing and replaced the 18" with a 14" both where sprocket nosed. Now here is my observation this thing is kicking my stihls ass with the 14" bar installed ans consumer safety chain. Does bar length have anything to do with chain speed cause this swap has definately pepped this old workhorse's step 3 fold it doesn't even bog a bit now and seems to just eat the wood with a consumer chain? SO i guess I am asking two questions is going to a shorter bar that much of an issue as to make this thing three times as fast as it once was (it is a 6 year old saw)? And two can someone tell me if i am just underworking it to make it seem faster 42cc and 14"?

 

[timberwolf]

If the saw is 6 years old and you use it more than a couple days a year is is nothing short of a amazing that it still runs.

Shorter bar will be a bit faster, but going from 18 to 14 will not turn that saw into anything special, and it wont make it 3 times faster unless the other chain was trashed.

Wildthings and there other green friends are junk, don't waste you money in the toy isle for the next saw.

 

[scottr]

Chain Speed

Upandcommer , are the depth gauges on both the 18" chain and the 14" chain the same ?

 

[retoocs555]

ok here is my question I burnt the bar up on my old wildthing and replaced the 18" with a 14" both where sprocket nosed. Now here is my observation this thing is kicking my stihls ass with the 14" bar installed ans consumer safety chain. Does bar length have anything to do with chain speed cause this swap has definately pepped this old workhorse's step 3 fold it doesn't even bog a bit now and seems to just eat the wood with a consumer chain? SO i guess I am asking two questions is going to a shorter bar that much of an issue as to make this thing three times as fast as it once was (it is a 6 year old saw)? And two can someone tell me if i am just underworking it to make it seem faster 42cc and 14"?

I'm guessing you got a brand new chain with the new 14" bar???

New sharp chain = Faster cut

 

[RaisedByWolves]

Your high jet is plugged and the Thing is about to meet its maker.

 

[sawn_penn]

Ground both chains and blunt 'em. Sharpen them both by hand. If both saws now cut badly, you know where the problem is!

 

[upandcommer]

chain is not an issue because as someone suggested when i switched to the 14" bar i used my old 18" chains to make the new loops for my 14 so it is the identical chains that where on my 18" bar both where sharpened by me on my new chainsaw sharpener (bench mount grinder). THe only logical explination i have is the saw isn't working as hard because there is not as many cutters in the wood at any given time but man this thing is like it was when she was new. If she is on her last leg then so be it i ordered a new one off e-bay for 58.50 the other day this is only my limbing saw now as i bought a real machine. I just wondered if the number of drive links had anything to do with speed because i went from 72 dl to 52 so 20 less links per loop didn;t know if that had any bearing on chain speeds.

 

[MS-310]

chain is not an issue because as someone suggested when i switched to the 14" bar i used my old 18" chains to make the new loops for my 14 so it is the identical chains that where on my 18" bar both where sharpened by me on my new chainsaw sharpener (bench mount grinder). THe only logical explination i have is the saw isn't working as hard because there is not as many cutters in the wood at any given time but man this thing is like it was when she was new. If she is on her last leg then so be it i ordered a new one off e-bay for 58.50 the other day this is only my limbing saw now as i bought a real machine. I just wondered if the number of drive links had anything to do with speed because i went from 72 dl to 52 so 20 less links per loop didn;t know if that had any bearing on chain speeds.

"I just wondered if the number of drive links had anything to do with speed because i went from 72 dl to 52 so 20 less links per loop didn;t know if that had any bearing on chain speeds"


Well kinda yes and kinda no. Its less mass the little motor has to pull around that bar so which keeps the saw from " bogging" down as much so it keeps the rpms up better. Plus less friction of 20 less links on the bar. I dont think this will add a big amount of power gain but it will add some. The only thing that will make the chain speed up is uping the drive gear or messing with the motor (setting the jets, running it lean, or what ever)

 

[timberwolf]

No easy way to change gearing on a thing, maybe it had so little power that just pulling an 18" bar left so little that changing to a 14" gave 3 times the net power.

If the 18 bar was in bad shape with a groove like this "V" rather than this "U" it could have also contributed to the difference.

 

[cuttinscott]

chain is not an issue because as someone suggested when i switched to the 14" bar i used my old 18" chains to make the new loops for my 14 so it is the identical chains that where on my 18" bar

I just wondered if the number of drive links had anything to do with speed because i went from 72 dl to 52 so 20 less links per loop didn;t know if that had any bearing on chain speeds.

Last I checked the 18" wildthangs used 62 drivers on a 18" are you running 91 series chain??
Scott

 

[THALL10326]

ok here is my question I burnt the bar up on my old wildthing and replaced the 18" with a 14" both where sprocket nosed. Now here is my observation this thing is kicking my stihls ass with the 14" bar installed ans consumer safety chain. Does bar length have anything to do with chain speed cause this swap has definately pepped this old workhorse's step 3 fold it doesn't even bog a bit now and seems to just eat the wood with a consumer chain? SO i guess I am asking two questions is going to a shorter bar that much of an issue as to make this thing three times as fast as it once was (it is a 6 year old saw)? And two can someone tell me if i am just underworking it to make it seem faster 42cc and 14"?

Looks like ya answered your own questions there. The ole baby is speeding up and your liking it, thats all that matters. I don't think you've made it 3 times as fast but you do see a differance and thats great. Shorter bars and chains on the same saw tend to cut alittle faster due to less chain to pull through the wood, less teeth biting, less drag and more rpms. The ole Wild Thing saw is something alot will tell you is pure junk, aint worth a hoot and this and that. The ones I've played with do appear a might cheaply made but for no more than they cost they do run pretty strong. How long may be a different matter but for the price what the heck. I say runner till she won't run no more. Yours sounds like it cruising right along there and hey, nuttin wrong with that....................

 

[spike60]

Less chain mass to pull around the bar makes sense, but not fewer teeth in the cut on a given size log. Lets say that you are cutting an 8" log. With 3/8 lo pro you would have a max of 6 cutters in the wood at any time regardless of the length of the bar.

 

[THALL10326]

Less chain mass to pull around the bar makes sense, but not fewer teeth in the cut on a given size log. Lets say that you are cutting an 8" log. With 3/8 lo pro you would have a max of 6 cutters in the wood at any time regardless of the length of the bar.

Good point there Spike. Some of those teeth just go along for the ride,your 100% right. Hey I talked to your Dolmar man last week and things are looking up. If things go as planned I'm gonna get my hands on some of those bad boys, can't wait.