Charlie Chan and the case of the fake Husky

[spike60]

Got an update for everyone, in addition to the fact that this saw has the same serial number as the one that's pictued in the "Somebody's gonna get hosed" thread. I'm not surprised by that at all. They probably made a thousand saws with the same tag.

I put a used 372 tank on the saw in this thread and Weimedog, Motomedik and I ran it yesterday. It has OK power in the cut, but it is indeed a POS saw. The knockoff carb has an off idle bog that can't be adjusted out. (and there's no limiters on it either). Takes too many pulls to get it started, hot or cold. Starter has a cheap feel and sound, and it clearly won't last. Chain adjuster in the side cover is not smooth, and also feels like it won't last. Sustained use with that tampax air filter would make for a short lived cylinder. All plastic is thin and obviously brittle.

So it runs, but what is the realistic life expectancy of of one of these things? And how much would need to be spent replacing the failed cheap parts? (And don't count on OEM parts always fitting) You could quickly spend as much as you would have on the real thing, on top of all of the agravation of solving the problems.

JUNK!!!

 

[parrisw]

Just saw this thread! WOW. What a bunch of crap! Whomever said it doesn't end at chainsaws is very correct. I remember last year over in Vancouver a clothing store got shut down, for selling FAKE high dollar name brand clothing, yep they were passing it off as the real thing, I really don't know why people would buy it thinking they are getting a great deal, when down the street it is twice the price, and yes they were Chinese people running the store. The difference here is that these saws are getting direct shipped from China, so much harder to stop then a local store.

 

[tbone75]

Checked it out!!!!

Greetings honorable members. Customa come to shop with saw probrem last week. Ordered saw from old country and when he open up box he get velly big suplize. Saw all a broken into many pieces from velly long journey. Company say no refund once he sign for box. Honorable customa velly angly. Humble detective also must give him more bad a news. He think he get real Husky at good plice, but he only get velly cheap Chinese copy. All materials are inferior quarity. Even air filter velly cheap. Number one son say remind him of wife's sanitelly napkin.

Many places where should say "made in Sweden" onry say "made in china" or "made in taiwan". Chinese factory velly velly crever. They not only dupricate saw, they also dupricate box and owners manual. But they not crever enough to fool Charlie Chan, your humble chainsaw detective.

Honorable Arborsite sponsor Spike60 will now post some photos and info so that hopefury other honorable members will not be fooled into buying from crooked Chinese saw company. Confucious say: better to learn from others mistakes than to make your own.

Had to go check out the web site.if it sounds to good to be true.IT IS !! There are going to be a lot of angry people out there.I bet we see lots of these on the bay? Thanks for the info

 

[a. palmer jr.]

Hate to say it but some first-time buyers of chainsaws will not know the difference and think by running it that all Stihls, or Husqvarnas are a POS. The only way for them to know the difference is if they'd ran a real one.

 

[spike60]

In my case, the buyer was able to get a refund through his credit card company. We established that this was fraud, and the saw was a counterfeit. I wrote a long winded letter pointing out all of the irregularities as I did in this thread, and he faxed it to his CC company which issued a refund, and debited the sellers account.

Since I helped him get his money back, he just gave me the saw to play with. I'll take it on the "GTG tour" this year so guys can see it, and to a Husky meeting or two. At some point though, we're going to wind this thing out and see what kind of abuse it can take. :hmm3grin2orange: BOOM!!

We can't educate the whole world, but at least threads like these can save some people from getting screwed. I don't cut the people making these things any slack at all, and the same goes for people trying to peddle them. I mean come on, the fact that these things all have the same serial number shows that they're not even trying to be legitimate.

Let's keep spreading the word guys!

 

[weimedog]

Need to post the basic info on as many BB places as you can. FF, Tree World, and if there are any commercial focused sites for those in the chainsaw business.

 

[THALL10326]

Nothing wrong with Stihl in general, just with their newer (and most of the older) models.....

That doesn't leave alot left does it,LOLOL Its ok, can't please everyone, especailly those home grown bias ones that can't see the forest because of the trees,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[THALL10326]

Got an update for everyone, in addition to the fact that this saw has the same serial number as the one that's pictued in the "Somebody's gonna get hosed" thread. I'm not surprised by that at all. They probably made a thousand saws with the same tag.

I put a used 372 tank on the saw in this thread and Weimedog, Motomedik and I ran it yesterday. It has OK power in the cut, but it is indeed a POS saw. The knockoff carb has an off idle bog that can't be adjusted out. (and there's no limiters on it either). Takes too many pulls to get it started, hot or cold. Starter has a cheap feel and sound, and it clearly won't last. Chain adjuster in the side cover is not smooth, and also feels like it won't last. Sustained use with that tampax air filter would make for a short lived cylinder. All plastic is thin and obviously brittle.

So it runs, but what is the realistic life expectancy of of one of these things? And how much would need to be spent replacing the failed cheap parts? (And don't count on OEM parts always fitting) You could quickly spend as much as you would have on the real thing, on top of all of the agravation of solving the problems.

JUNK!!!

Whats the ole saying Spike, a fool and his money will soon part. That cat paid what, 300.00 for that thing, yup he thought man what a deal. I getem in the shop on a daily basis, those that want the brand but don't wanna pay the fiddler, I sendem packing. You went the extra mile for him good on you but remember he went around you to get that cheap price so I wouldn't lose any sleep over his bad luck.

Adding to your story though here's over 20 tons of fake saws being destroyed and the seller is gonna be paying some huge fines. Check it out.

Waiblingen, March 16, 2011

Darmstadt Regional Council destroys dangerous cheap saws from China
- 4,450 deficient chainsaws shredded to 20 tons of scrap
- Non-conforming products contravene EU safety standards
- Market surveillance authority of Darmstadt Regional Council pounces

Last week the Darmstadt Regional Council destroyed 4,450 cheap chainsaws which had been found to have serious safety defects. Among other things, the chain braking time was too long, the front hand guard and the handle broke too easily. Other defects found were the inadequate strength of the front handle, missing rating plates and emissions outside the statutory limits. In addition, there were no valid type approval test certificates for the saws, which chainsaws must have to comply with the Machinery Directive. The saws did not there-fore conform to several requirements of the legal regulations applicable throughout Europe and thus pose a real risk to users.

The dangerous saws with the fantasy names “PowerHaus” and “KrafTWelle” were sold by door-to-door salesmen, at flea markets or on the Internet. They were impounded during a search of a company in South Hesse. About half of them had a colour scheme deceptively similar to that of STIHL products and thus infringed the STIHL colour trademark which is protected throughout the EU. In October 2010, the Darmstadt Regional Council, in its capacity as the responsible market surveillance authority, issued an order prohibiting placing such or similar chainsaws on the market. Furthermore, distributors have been ordered to carry out public recalls and several warnings of penalty payments were given.

Therefore, for the first time ever in the case of chainsaws, a European market surveillance authority has implemented valid EU law on such a scale with visible and notice-able consequences for the defendant.

(Voucher copy requested.)

Caption:
Fig. 1: Chainsaws worth €200,000 were destroyed during this operation
Fig. 2: Darmstadt Regional Council destroys dangerous cheap saws from China 4,450 deficient chainsaws shredded to 20 tons of scrap.

 

[THALL10326]

El Junko

There they go, take that you Chinese mofo's,haha

 

[brokenbudget]

There they go, take that you Chinese mofo's,haha

:hmm3grin2orange: wonder how long it takes the chinese to make that pile of scrap into another pile of scrap:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Ebellairs]

Got an update for everyone, in addition to the fact that this saw has the same serial number as the one that's pictued in the "Somebody's gonna get hosed" thread. I'm not surprised by that at all. They probably made a thousand saws with the same tag.

I put a used 372 tank on the saw in this thread and Weimedog, Motomedik and I ran it yesterday. It has OK power in the cut, but it is indeed a POS saw. The knockoff carb has an off idle bog that can't be adjusted out. (and there's no limiters on it either). Takes too many pulls to get it started, hot or cold. Starter has a cheap feel and sound, and it clearly won't last. Chain adjuster in the side cover is not smooth, and also feels like it won't last. Sustained use with that tampax air filter would make for a short lived cylinder. All plastic is thin and obviously brittle.

So it runs, but what is the realistic life expectancy of of one of these things? And how much would need to be spent replacing the failed cheap parts? (And don't count on OEM parts always fitting) You could quickly spend as much as you would have on the real thing, on top of all of the agravation of solving the problems.

JUNK!!!

The saw that I have, actually has power very similar to the used 365, that I know is real.
But after reading your thread, it does show me that I better watch what I am doing if I run the thing. I might put some of my forester aftermarket parts on the saw, to make it not break as easily.

BTW, The chain tensioner is junk, and broke the first time taking the slack out of the chain. and the thread pitch and size is different from the OEM. Just one more thing to ad to the list.

 

[SawTroll]

There they go, take that you Chinese mofo's,haha

The differense with your story is that it isn't about copies, but about totally different saws that is misrepresented to give the impression that they are quality products, and often Stihls or Huskys.

Both kinds of fraud have been turning up here in Norway, on the Internet.

 

[spike60]

Whats the ole saying Spike, a fool and his money will soon part. That cat paid what, 300.00 for that thing, yup he thought man what a deal. I getem in the shop on a daily basis, those that want the brand but don't wanna pay the fiddler, I sendem packing. You went the extra mile for him good on you but remember he went around you to get that cheap price so I wouldn't lose any sleep over his bad luck.

Adding to your story though here's over 20 tons of fake saws being destroyed and the seller is gonna be paying some huge fines. Check it out.

Waiblingen, March 16, 2011

Darmstadt Regional Council destroys dangerous cheap saws from China
- 4,450 deficient chainsaws shredded to 20 tons of scrap
- Non-conforming products contravene EU safety standards
- Market surveillance authority of Darmstadt Regional Council pounces

Last week the Darmstadt Regional Council destroyed 4,450 cheap chainsaws which had been found to have serious safety defects. Among other things, the chain braking time was too long, the front hand guard and the handle broke too easily. Other defects found were the inadequate strength of the front handle, missing rating plates and emissions outside the statutory limits. In addition, there were no valid type approval test certificates for the saws, which chainsaws must have to comply with the Machinery Directive. The saws did not there-fore conform to several requirements of the legal regulations applicable throughout Europe and thus pose a real risk to users.

The dangerous saws with the fantasy names “PowerHaus” and “KrafTWelle” were sold by door-to-door salesmen, at flea markets or on the Internet. They were impounded during a search of a company in South Hesse. About half of them had a colour scheme deceptively similar to that of STIHL products and thus infringed the STIHL colour trademark which is protected throughout the EU. In October 2010, the Darmstadt Regional Council, in its capacity as the responsible market surveillance authority, issued an order prohibiting placing such or similar chainsaws on the market. Furthermore, distributors have been ordered to carry out public recalls and several warnings of penalty payments were given.

Therefore, for the first time ever in the case of chainsaws, a European market surveillance authority has implemented valid EU law on such a scale with visible and notice-able consequences for the defendant.

(Voucher copy requested.)

Caption:
Fig. 1: Chainsaws worth €200,000 were destroyed during this operation
Fig. 2: Darmstadt Regional Council destroys dangerous cheap saws from China 4,450 deficient chainsaws shredded to 20 tons of scrap.

That's really great info; thanks! I never thought about saftey issues, but the saws are sure not emmisions compliant.

I'm aware that the buyerr was doing an end around move, and you know me: normally, I'd laugh at the guy and tell him that he deserved the screwing that he got. But I wanted to get a closer look at the saw, and how this whole scam works, so I got involved. I wasn't as hyped on getting this guy his money back as I was in having the crooks get a chargeback from the credit card company.

People most often ask about laws that are being broken here, but there's no one to go after. Saw is bought online, shipped from China to a local post office, and that's it. There's nobody in this country to arrest, fine or sue.

Now of course if someone brought in a container of that junk, they'd be hot water with Husky/Stihl, customs, the EPA, and who knows what else.

I wonder though if maybe the buyer himself is breaking EPA laws. After all, the customer is tecnically "importing" a non-compliant chainsaw into the US. Think that's possible?

 

[MCW]

The differense with your story is that it isn't about copies, but about totally different saws that is misrepresented to give the impression that they are quality products, and often Stihls or Huskys.

Both kinds of fraud have been turning up here in Norway, on the Internet.

I agree Sawtroll. There is a big difference between simply copying a saw or copying a saw and then intentionally mislabelling it to deceive potential buyers.

 

[MCW]

but the saws are sure not emmisions compliant.

Neither are any of the modded saws on this site

 

[7hpjim]

There they go, take that you Chinese mofo's,haha

Oh the humanity!!! so much Ebay fodder squandered !!!:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Eccentric]

..The dangerous saws with the fantasy names “PowerHaus” and “KrafTWelle” were sold by door-to-door salesmen, at flea markets or on the Internet...

Door-to-door chainsaw salesmen???:jester:

:hmm3grin2orange: wonder how long it takes the chinese to make that pile of scrap into another pile of scrap:hmm3grin2orange:

Probably about as long as it took you to type that post....

 

[PJF1313]

Sorry to bring an older thread back from the dead -

BUT it is still relevant today as it was last year.

"If it's too good to be true - it probably is."

Buyer be aware!

 

[rheima]

From the dead also!

Sorry to bring an older thread back from the dead -

BUT it is still relevant today as it was last year.

"If it's too good to be true - it probably is."

Buyer be aware!

In a related story, I heard of purchase of a Bridgeport milling machine that was purchased on the "net" that was giving the buyer all kinds of trouble. It was purchased as the real thing but when inspected by real Bridgeport service men it was a Chinese fake even down to some casting flaws on the inside of the column of the base. They are a clever lot that can copy about anything and don't care about materials they use no matter how dangerous or inferior. Our 6 year old Maytag Neptune bearings failed and guess where Whirlpool got the bearings from? Yup --------------good old China! Its all about money for the people at the top.


Ray

 

[hamish]

In a related story, I heard of purchase of a Bridgeport milling machine that was purchased on the "net" that was giving the buyer all kinds of trouble. It was purchased as the real thing but when inspected by real Bridgeport service men it was a Chinese fake even down to some casting flaws on the inside of the column of the base. They are a clever lot that can copy about anything and don't care about materials they use no matter how dangerous or inferior. Our 6 year old Maytag Neptune bearings failed and guess where Whirlpool got the bearings from? Yup --------------good old China! Its all about money for the people at the top.


Ray

and..........those people at the top are in the US, CDN,AUS,NZ,EU etc.. Don't blame the Chinese they have the industrial complex the rest of the world has forgotten, now lacking. They make more quality goods than the crap ones, all the low ball true crap is made to the specifications of companies in the countries named above.

The PRC and HK have changed the game drastically in the past few years, its no longer Mickey Mouse shoes its $20K milling machines etc....

I say Kudos to China and may the next century be yours.

If it wasn't for China our kids wouldn't have crayons, it it wasn't for Husqvarna.....we wouldn't have technological advances in saw performance and design.