Cheap Chinese parts ebay?

[Suzuki]

There appears to be somewhat of an acceptance of cheap Chinese pistons and cylinders...
(I know, you get what you pay for)

Anyone able to recommend an ebay store/seller that sells a half decent product? or on the flip side ones to stay away from?
What to watch for with the Chinese parts?

Looking to do a cheap as dirt top end rebuild on a Husqvarna 55. The saw won't see much for use (I have another one for that) this one will be rattling around in the back of a pickup clearing fallen branches and trees from the road...
If it bounces out of the box, oh well.....

Thanks,

 

[user 122190]

IMO a lot of this is legit. Companies manufacture in China, and workers sell goods gone missing off the shipping decks. How does one make it on 11c an hour? Selling OEM goods via EBay that happen to be overlooked late in the evening. Still, buyer beware.

 

[1Alpha1]

When it comes to Chinese-made products, consistency often suffers.

 

[rynosawr]

Definitive Dave (Chainsaw conservation components) is on ebay here http://stores.ebay.com/Chainsaw-Conservation-Components

He sells OEM parts and some very high quality chinese aftermarket parts. He makes sure that if he sells it, he stands behind it. He has lots of great posts and we are really lucky to have someone like him on this site as a member and sponsor.


I have also had good dealings with HLSproparts on ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com/HLSProParts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563


Chinese part quality is good when the quality is tightly controlled, the company and workers are honorable and paid well, and consistency is demanded by the buyers or orders will cease.

 

[TheTone]

When you go through Ebay, you are often dealing with a middleman. I've had good luck with Huztl.net. More direct. See if they have what you are looking for. Also, they seem to have an "in" with China Post. Their stuff arrives much quicker than ebay.

 

[Suzuki]

Thanks for the ideas guys, this kind of feed back is what I'm looking for.

$16.20 (US) for either the 45mm or 46mm piston and cylinder on a Husqvarna 55 on huztl.net....

Like the price alright, kind of sceptical of the quality. Anyone have experience with these?

What's the difference between the 45 and 46mm kits other than the piston diameter?

for what it's worth, I'm in Canada....

 

[rynosawr]

The Chinese cylinders are hit or miss....

Some brands have certain models that they make very well, and some models are total junk when new....

I have read lots of complaints on the cylinders in particular.... not beveled at the ports, thin plating, bad timing numbers (won't run as good as a quality cylinder.... on the pistons, the wrist pin retaining snap rings tend to be weak and can pop out and ruin everything, even when properly installed....

I have personally had the best luck with Meteor brand pistons and buying or fixing a used oem cylinder. Hyway makes pretty good stuff and I have used a few with good success, but it is much more $$$$ than Hutzl.

 

[a. palmer jr.]

When you replace a Mahle top end with a Chinese one don't necessarily expect the same compression as when the Mahle was new. I've yet to have a high compression one except a couple of 390 rebuilds..

 

[67L36Driver]

On the Huztl/Farmertec stuff, if I get shabby parts I raise a stink with them and they will make it right.

Just takes time and accurate communication. Pictures of defects help a lot.

 

[a. palmer jr.]

It's kinda hard to point out a defect in a new piston/cylinder that looks good but somehow has lower compression, probably has something to do with the squish being bigger on the AM but I really haven't measured. The latest one I've noticed is an 026 that checked out at 130 psi brand new but broken in slightly, and it seemed to not have the pep that it should. I have another one to compare it to but haven't had the time yet to mess with it.

 

[Suzuki]

"not beveled at the ports"

Explain please?

I'm going to guess that beveling the ports is as simple as taking a file or sandpaper to the sharp edge of the intake/exhaust/transfer port in the cylinder and placing a bit of a slant on it so the ring doesn't catch?

Squish = how much space is between the top of the piston and top of the cylinder. Too much room = low compression, too little makes contact...
Can be checked by using a piece of solder placed on top of the piston.

Sound right?

Bear with me, I'm learning....

 

[a. palmer jr.]

That's pretty close. Most people want the ports to be kinda smooth for better breathing, more rpm. The rings shouldn't catch unless the edge of the ports stick into the cylinder which I've never seen.

 

[brandonstc6]

How does aftermarket covers and other parts affect the resale value of a saw? For example I have a completely rebuilt 028 super that's all oem except for a tecomec piston and clutch cover (I'll probably break even on that one. Probably not well thought out). Or rebuilding a ms361 and using aftermarket covers and a tecomec piston?


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[a. palmer jr.]

To me I'd rather have a new aftermarket clutch cover than a beat up OEM cover. The plastics to me are about the same. I just ordered a cylinder cover for my 026 to replace the OEM so it would match the air filter cover, which is a new aftermarket cover. Some people are purists though and will be picky even with a bolt or a screw that's not original. When I list a saw I mention that it's not museum quality, probably offends a few people...

 

[a. palmer jr.]

"not beveled at the ports"

Explain please?

I'm going to guess that beveling the ports is as simple as taking a file or sandpaper to the sharp edge of the intake/exhaust/transfer port in the cylinder and placing a bit of a slant on it so the ring doesn't catch?

Squish = how much space is between the top of the piston and top of the cylinder. Too much room = low compression, too little makes contact...
Can be checked by using a piece of solder placed on top of the piston.

Sound right?

Bear with me, I'm learning....

We're all learning. I've been at this for a while now and I still learn something about every day..

 

[teacherman]

Thanks for the ideas guys, this kind of feed back is what I'm looking for.

$16.20 (US) for either the 45mm or 46mm piston and cylinder on a Husqvarna 55 on huztl.net....

Like the price alright, kind of sceptical of the quality. Anyone have experience with these?

What's the difference between the 45 and 46mm kits other than the piston diameter?

for what it's worth, I'm in Canada....

I'd go to Chainsaw Conservation Components, Definitive Dave's store. He talks about which brands are good ones. He sends out any brands he sells, before he puts it on his site, sends some parts to people who use and review them. I would trust what he says. Meteor pistons are good, sometimes all that's available for some older saws.

I would NOT use super cheep ChiCom stuff. One, it's often junk, and two, buying it encourages them to make more of it. My pet peeve is the ten dollar carburetors out there. People buyu them, they work like crap so the soaw goes on ebay. I have two 038 Supers with what appear to be junk carbs on them. better to sell it with the rebuildable OEM carb.

Also it's like painting your house. The labor is the real expense. Why use cheap pain when the labor will need to be repeated sooner??

Just my opinion good luck on your project

 

[brandonstc6]

I'd go to Chainsaw Conservation Components, Definitive Dave's store. He talks about which brands are good ones. He sends out any brands he sells, before he puts it on his site, sends some parts to people who use and review them. I would trust what he says. Meteor pistons are good, sometimes all that's available for some older saws.

I would NOT use super cheep ChiCom stuff. One, it's often junk, and two, buying it encourages them to make more of it. My pet peeve is the ten dollar carburetors out there. People buyu them, they work like crap so the soaw goes on ebay. I have two 038 Supers with what appear to be junk carbs on them. better to sell it with the rebuildable OEM carb.

Also it's like painting your house. The labor is the real expense. Why use cheap pain when the labor will need to be repeated sooner??

Just my opinion good luck on your project

I used to have good luck with the cheap carburetors but the last three was been duds, I replaced them with oem. 028 and MS250. Oem NOS 028 carburetor was only $14 shipped but the guy only had one.


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[1Alpha1]

My younger brother is a aero-space machinist. He has been for many years and owns his own shop. Many of his parts have been part of past space shuttles. He does work for Boeing, Hughes, Rockwell, and other companies involved in the flight industry.

He also has a very strong background in metallurgy. He knows his stuff. Anything made of any kind of metal coming out of China is suspect at best. China's ability to master working with metals is still underwhelming. They often cut corners and do so often. They struggle to manufacture exotic metals and/or combinations of such.

As others have mentioned, quality-control is pretty much a joke in China, and still is. Corruption is prevalent and manufacturing items as cheaply as possible is the norm. Workers are for the most part, under-paid and not well motivated.

You purchase anything that comes from China, and you do so at your own risk.

 

[a. palmer jr.]

Quite a bit of difference buying a part for a space shuttle and buying a piston/cylinder kit for a chainsaw...

 

[1Alpha1]

Quite a bit of difference buying a part for a space shuttle and buying a piston/cylinder kit for a chainsaw...

Yeah.... I was going to make a point of that........and I should have.

Let me put it this way. If you buy cheap s**t from China and don't expect any degree of quality, then you should be okay.