Chinese Stihl & Husky saws

[slipknot]

But if you like, go ahead and throw your money away. If you were closer, you could stop in my store and see the quality of some of these knockoffs. A local guy got ripped on one of the Husky 365 copies, and he got so disgusted he just gave the thing to me. I promise you, if you saw this thing up close you wouldn't want to toss $300 away just to play around with it.[/QUOTE]

I wish I could rep ya spike....you may be an azz at times but you do tell it like it is and i agree with you 110% that idiot is contributing to the problem which makes our saw prices go up to make up for lost revenue.....And I do mean to come accross insulting make no bones about it!! You idiots stop buy the chinese knock offs.....:taped:

 

[OH_Varmntr]

I agree Slipknot. All it is doing is adding fuel to fire these knockoff companies. :angry2:

I know exactly how it goes, being in the plastic injection molding industry. The parts we produce are nearly twice as much as "comparable" (I use that word loosely) parts from China. But American companies are still buying our products because of our superior quality.

The Chinese quality is getting better though...

 

[AUSSIE1]

I wish I could rep ya spike....you may be an azz at times but you do tell it like it is and i agree with you 110% that idiot is contributing to the problem which makes our saw prices go up to make up for lost revenue.....And I do mean to come accross insulting make no bones about it!! You idiots stop buy the chinese knock offs.....:taped:

Well that must have made you feel like a big man, Spike licker!

 

[indiansprings]

On several of my buying trips where I spent three to four consecutive weeks in China and Taiwan I bought some knocks offs of very popular products and sent home. The majority of them were/are inferior in quality to the real product. I did pay a 125.00 for a high quality knock off of a rolex submariner, almost identical to my real one, it has been a good everyday watch, keeps time as good as the real one.

I believe the saws they are building today are very inferior to the real products and wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole............but the chinese are capable of producing the same quality, and you will see these saws evolve over time to just as good as quality once they figure out the market is there. I've been in to many factories making parts for Cummins, Mercedes and BWM in China. They are capable of making any quality level that is specified, the customer just has to be willing to pay for it.

I won't support the chinese knock off saws, they aren't paying a dime for R&D, liability insurance, not paying corporate taxes. not employing the hundreds if not thousands of Americans working for the American mfg/distrobution arms of Stihl or Husky.

You always get what you pay for in the long run.

 

[slipknot]

Well that must have made you feel like a big man, Spike licker!

LOL..I am a big man actually at 6-4 285 lbs, so I feel this way everyday. the only way i would lick spike is if he were a good lookin woman...and he's not..so i find humor in that statement..but I can take a joke so its ok. But.......

No offense to you Aussies....but what does your country even manufacture? What drives your economy?(im just curious) What jobs do you guys have to lose? Whether its a good knock off or not..your supporting a communist nation that is basically stealing when they make a product that is a knock off of someone else's and your supporting child labor and or BS wages....and when you do that it has many consequences and they will eventually show their ugly head here very shortly. I still stand by what I said..you guys are idiots for importing BS junk here to the most superior nation in the world..the United States of America. Look at all the technical advancements we have come up with and are generous enough to share with the rest of the world...I mean if it wasnt for us..the chinese wouldn't have much to steal....minus the chainsaws...I bet the germans are pissed about that. Isnt it illegal to import that crap here anyways? :msp_w00t:

 

[AUSSIE1]

LOL..I am a big man actually at 6-4 285 lbs, so I feel this way everyday. the only way i would lick spike is if he were a good lookin woman...and he's not..so i find humor in that statement..but I can take a joke so its ok. But.......

No offense to you Aussies....but what does your country even manufacture? What drives your economy?(im just curious) What jobs do you guys have to lose? Whether its a good knock off or not..your supporting a communist nation that is basically stealing when they make a product that is a knock off of someone else's and your supporting child labor and or BS wages....and when you do that it has many consequences and they will eventually show their ugly head here very shortly. I still stand by what I said..you guys are idiots for importing BS junk here to the most superior nation in the world..the United States of America. Look at all the technical advancements we have come up with and are generous enough to share with the rest of the world...I mean if it wasnt for us..the chinese wouldn't have much to steal....minus the chainsaws...I bet the germans are pissed about that. Isnt it illegal to import that crap here anyways? :msp_w00t:

Here we go, another "our country is better than yours"....yawn!

Pull your head out of the sand sunshine!

 

[MCW]

LOL..I am a big man actually at 6-4 285 lbs, so I feel this way everyday. the only way i would lick spike is if he were a good lookin woman...and he's not..so i find humor in that statement..but I can take a joke so its ok. But.......

No offense to you Aussies....but what does your country even manufacture? What drives your economy?(im just curious) What jobs do you guys have to lose? Whether its a good knock off or not..your supporting a communist nation that is basically stealing when they make a product that is a knock off of someone else's and your supporting child labor and or BS wages....and when you do that it has many consequences and they will eventually show their ugly head here very shortly. I still stand by what I said..you guys are idiots for importing BS junk here to the most superior nation in the world..the United States of America. Look at all the technical advancements we have come up with and are generous enough to share with the rest of the world...I mean if it wasnt for us..the chinese wouldn't have much to steal....minus the chainsaws...I bet the germans are pissed about that. Isnt it illegal to import that crap here anyways? :msp_w00t:

I see where you're coming from and can understand to some extent apart from the fact you need to pull your head out your butt in regard to just how good your manufacturing is and the fact that many many other countries are at least as good or better. I like the US, we share a lot in common, but to say you're the most superior nation on earth sounds a bit Nazi WWII.
As far as the Chinese thing goes I won't get too excited about it but maybe instead of having a go at knock offs maybe look a bit further...
...like that Chinese made carb on my new "US made" MS261 for instance?
Blame the consumer all you like but the real problem lies with the big name manufacturers.
Also maybe have a go at nearly every member here who has bought a Chinese/Taiwanese piston and cylinder kit instead of an overpriced original OEM top end. Not to mention aftermarket parts that are nearly entirely Chinese. Maybe look at your automotive manufacturers and get a rough percentage of what the foreign content is? You'll piss and sh*t yourself.
Starting to see where I'm coming from? Stihl, Husky, Dolmar - they're all in on it. More and more Chinese components are starting to appear on OEM saws.
I'd also like to know how buying a knock off 365 makes a difference to the US manufacturers. Last time I checked it wasn't made in the US. I'll tell you what though, when you can get a US made 365 to my door for $300 let me know, I'll buy 10.

As far as what Australians produce? Maybe when you talk of manufacturing you might want to think of where your steel came from or the Uranium in your reactors. Also when a family member is sick or dying and gets saved by some new wonder drug there is a good chance it was invented in Australia.

As mentioned, I like the US for many reasons but particularly because we are allies. For you to not even know what Australia produces or what drives our economy shows your ignorance and leaves me wondering why you even opened your mouth to start with...

 

[MCW]

Here we go, another "our country is better than yours"....yawn!

Pull your head out of the sand sunshine!

Funniest thing I remember Al was when a certain large golf club manufacturer started to find Chinese copies floating around in various world markets.
The cry of "We're gonna lose jobs" etc etc was loud and clear (as it's like a reflex response) yet what the most vocal opponents were too stupid to realise was that the original manufacturer's heads AND shafts were coming out of China anyway...

 

[Stihlman441]

what does your country even manufacture?

Ok i will start with oil,gas,minerals,trees (wood chip),wheat and grains,wool,cars the list is endless..............

 

[a. palmer jr.]

Funniest thing I remember Al was when a certain large golf club manufacturer started to find Chinese copies floating around in various world markets.
The cry of "We're gonna lose jobs" etc etc was loud and clear (as it's like a reflex response) yet what the most vocal opponents were too stupid to realise was that the original manufacturer's heads AND shafts were coming out of China anyway...

You gotta remember though that the real McCoys were made of titanium on the club heads and the cheaper ones were aluminum. It is that difference that makes the Callaway Big Bertha and others, like Taylor Made much superior to the cheaper no-names also made in China. Also, check the swing weight on the name brands vs. the no names, they are more consistent on the good ones. However, I wasn't too crazy about our better companies moving to China, either.

 

[Stihlman441]

I bet ya can find some china made bits on ya Harleys.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Rudolf73]

...the most superior nation in the world..the United States of America.

Maybe you should turn on the TV and watch some news some time... you might learn something (its not all sunshine and roses) :msp_wink:

 

[a. palmer jr.]

I bet ya can find some china made bits on ya Harleys.:hmm3grin2orange:

I went to a Harley shop to buy some parts for my friend's Harley that I was working on. I believe the parts at that time said "Made in Japan".

 

[Stihlman441]

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[OH_Varmntr]

what does your country even manufacture?

Ok i will start with oil,gas,minerals,trees (wood chip),wheat and grains,wool,cars the list is endless..............

We were visited by a previous exchange student from Australia this past weekend.

He is a Geologist for a mining company that mines Nickel and much of our conversation was about the mining industry in Australia. I found it extremely interesting, and never would have thought the environmental policies of Australia would have been that stringent, compared to our American policies. So much is produced either directly or in-directly from the mining industry.

I won't dive into the differences I found here, but needless to say my eyes were opened.

It's amazing how close-minded most are to parts of the world other than here in the USA.

 

[slipknot]

Lol sure is windy in here. Thanks for the education on what Aussies make...I admitted I was ignorant when it came to that...that's why I asked. Now i know A little more than I did an hour ago...Also I never exclusively had a go at you aussies..my so called rampage was about we Americans and everyone else buying the crap. I do believe you proved my point...the manufacturers are having to take steps necessary since they are losing profits to the chinese manufacturing practices stealing technology...they did not pay their dues like we americans have. They have to get in bed with the chinese..how else can they compete? Just how the dirty chinese go about buisness is not honest IMO. I have nothing against you aussies...I would almost give my left arm to come see your beautiful country. How else would you expect me to respond when insulted....But I didnt take it personal since I did insult those that buy chinese knock offs..its all fair game! As far as what you guys make...you wouldnt be able to do it with out us...but I didnt mean to turn it into a pissing match with the US being superior....I mean look at everything important used today in the world...we invented most of it...cars, electricity, lighting, etc. As far as my head in my butt or in the sand...im well aware of whats going on..thats why i said anything at all...We americans and our complacency is a real big problem...we're falling behind...the chinese are catching up and its our fault! So its ok for you aussies to stick together..thats what most of us americans will do. I got nothing against you guys and dont worry we wont be the most superior country on earth for long...Keep supporting the chinese technology thiefs..lol the chinese I think are still behind the japanese as far as most technology stolen from the US...dont get me started on dirt bikes and motorcycles....

 

[MCW]

You gotta remember though that the real McCoys were made of titanium on the club heads and the cheaper ones were aluminum. It is that difference that makes the Callaway Big Bertha and others, like Taylor Made much superior to the cheaper no-names also made in China. Also, check the swing weight on the name brands vs. the no names, they are more consistent on the good ones. However, I wasn't too crazy about our better companies moving to China, either.

I'm well aware of the quality differences but the Chinese driver heads I was referring to were actually stainless, not aluminium - they still had tags of MIG wire hanging inside the heads. I used to play a lot of competition golf and import(ed) a lot of gear from the states. I wasn't stating the quality difference (which wasn't actually obvious in most cases until the clubs were actually used) but simply the Made In China issue. Many people don't realise that most of the big names in a lot of different fields are now made offshore.

Lol sure is windy in here. Thanks for the education on what Aussies make...I admitted I was ignorant when it came to that...that's why I asked. Now i know A little more than I did an hour ago...Also I never exclusively had a go at you aussies..my so called rampage was about we Americans and everyone else buying the crap. I do believe you proved my point...the manufacturers are having to take steps necessary since they are losing profits to the chinese manufacturing practices stealing technology...they did not pay their dues like we americans have. They have to get in bed with the chinese..how else can they compete? Just how the dirty chinese go about buisness is not honest IMO. I have nothing against you aussies...I would almost give my left arm to come see your beautiful country. How else would you expect me to respond when insulted....But I didnt take it personal since I did insult those that buy chinese knock offs..its all fair game! As far as what you guys make...you wouldnt be able to do it with out us...but I didnt mean to turn it into a pissing match with the US being superior....I mean look at everything important used today in the world...we invented most of it...cars, electricity, lighting, etc. As far as my head in my butt or in the sand...im well aware of whats going on..thats why i said anything at all...We americans and our complacency is a real big problem...we're falling behind...the chinese are catching up and its our fault! So its ok for you aussies to stick together..thats what most of us americans will do. I got nothing against you guys and dont worry we wont be the most superior country on earth for long...Keep supporting the chinese technology thiefs..lol the chinese I think are still behind the japanese as far as most technology stolen from the US...dont get me started on dirt bikes and motorcycles....

Thanks for the level headed reply. It's certainly a topic that's always going to get heated!
Just remember though that the technology the Chinese have isn't always stolen. There have been many ingenious products get invented that the inventor's home country isn't willing to invest in. That is a real problem in Australia which is why state of the art weaponry for example (ie: Metal Storm) has gone offshore (to the US thankfully) as the Australian government were too lame to invest in it.
The same goes for China - they'll throw way more money at somebody to get hold of an innovative new idea than either the US or Australia unless it's something like Metal Storm which may directly affect their homeland security one day.

What really gets up my nose is in the world of Agriculture and this affects both the US and Australia. Many people with qualifications such as mine are being poached by Chinese, South American etc agricultural groups for MASSIVE amounts of money to provide advice and expertise on how to grow better quality fruit and other crops. Although it seems a good idea at the time these same consultants are actually putting US and Australian farmers out of business as before you know it our very own opposition have the same expertise we have with 1/4 the labour costs.
In fact quite often it's even our own government employed agricultural experts telling our opposition how to grow better produce.

 

[masculator]

what does your country even manufacture?

Ok i will start with oil,gas,minerals,trees (wood chip),wheat and grains,wool,cars the list is endless..............

It took us AUSSIES to make an AMERICAN car that handles....lol pontiac, camaro and all the others built on the commodore frame right here in AUS!!!!oh and the 3.8 litre v6 that the yanks couldn't balance for more than twenty years that we managed to quite easily.

 

[masculator]

What really gets up my nose is in the world of Agriculture and this affects both the US and Australia. Many people with qualifications such as mine are being poached by Chinese, South American etc agricultural groups for MASSIVE amounts of money to provide advice and expertise on how to grow better quality fruit and other crops. Although it seems a good idea at the time these same consultants are actually putting US and Australian farmers out of business as before you know it our very own opposition have the same expertise we have with 1/4 the labour costs.
In fact quite often it's even our own government employed agricultural experts telling our opposition how to grow better produce.

And then we employ Poms to come and manage our farms!!!

Oh and don,t forget the fact that the xerox/photocopier was an australian invention and all of the cutting edge medical innovations that have come out of australia, and a lot of technical electrical innovations which have had their roots developed here.

I think that SLopKnOb would be surprised at how much australian designed technology is in use every day in almost every industry there is in the US.

 

[MCW]

And then we employ Poms to come and manage our farms!!!

Actually it's mainly South Africans. Although I know a number of them and like these guys the main reason they are managing a lot of Australian owned farms is because...

1) They know what they're doing.
2) They'll do it cheaper.
3) Emphasise the cheaper bit...
4) As in $30k a year cheaper!