Classic Hazard Tree Takedown With Crane

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jomoco

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I did this removal about two weeks ago in Descanso here in SoCal. An old buddy of mine that I helped get started in the tree biz got the call from the customer who was concerned about this dead oak ( Quercus agrifolia ) leaning over their house.

My buddy took a look at the tree then called me to see if I'd take a look and sub to him to get it safely on the ground for him and his crew.

I went up with him to take a look, and didn't like what I saw. The tree was obviously rotted out and hollow all the way down the main trunk. It also had very recent root excavation on one side for a new retaining wall. I consulted with the owner who informed me that he had received two very reasonable quotes to rope the tree down from two separate companies in the area.

I calmly informed the owner that his tree was an extremely hazardous tree, and that trying to rope it down on itself would likely end up resulting in damage to his house and more importantly a dead or injured climber. I suggested the only safe method of takedown was to use a crane to ensure no shaking of his hollow and rotten tree. He agreed, a price and date for the takedown was set.

An eight man crew including the crane operator and myself arrived on the job that morning. Some fairly serious cribbing was required on the downhill 40 ton crane tires to get into the driveway and position the crane effectively for the takedown.

I had already determined that there was no way I was going to tag into this rotten old tree until some serious weight came off it. The crane was equiped with two blocks and had over 125 feet of main boom. I tagged into the larger block using the smaller one to very carefully catch and lower each choked and cut section, staying with the crane until the tree was reduced to standing main wood structure.

But this old hollow tree had a few surprises in store for both the crew and I.
I had just tagged into the main wood structure of this old hollow dog and was making excellent progress craning some of the larger sections of the remaining wood from the backside of the codominant leader, when bees started emerging from a cavity about 50 feet up the leader that I was tagged into attacking both the ground crew and I. This effectively put a stop to an otherwise smooth operation.

I consulted with my buddy and the crane operator on our options. My bee suit was a couple hours away round trip. The crane operator was highly allergic but could seal himself inside his airconditioned operators cab. I decided to seal myself in long sleeved shirts and gloves with bandannas and bugeye safety glasses over my head as the crane operator positioned me with aerosol bee killer spray over the cavity and I took the fight home to their queen as the ground crew hid. We built a fire in the ground crew LZ and stoked it with green leaves to generate as much smoke as possible. I sprayed three cans of bee killer into the cavity, then set an additional three cans of fogger into the cavity itself for emphasis, then was lowered down by the crane for lunch. The queen gave up the battle and flew off as we ate lunch.

Anyway, after lunch the bulk of the hive had flown off with their queen, but left enough kamikazi soldiers to make my job and the crew's miserable as we doggedley completed the job and left at 3:00pm that afternoon. I was stung through my bandannas 5 times in the face. My buddy and a few crew members were stung a few times also.

The job was completed on schedule, the crane operator drove off safe in his airconditioned cab, the customer was happy, the bees not so much so. Another very hazardous tree safely removed.

jomoco
 
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Good story.
One time I did battle with bees, but wore insulated coveralls and a full face motorcycle helmet, both sealed off with duct tape.
The face shield immediately fogged up, and as soon as I opened it to see where I was, the bees flew in.
I screamed like a little girl, started flailing my arms around, and looked like an idiot, but like you, in the end I got the job done.
 
Is that you in the 4th pic leaning against the tree?
 
Good story.
One time I did battle with bees, but wore insulated coveralls and a full face motorcycle helmet, both sealed off with duct tape.
The face shield immediately fogged up, and as soon as I opened it to see where I was, the bees flew in.
I screamed like a little girl, started flailing my arms around, and looked like an idiot, but like you, in the end I got the job done.

:laugh: Reminds me of when I was climbing around on some of the rocky outcroppings off the peninsula in WA (near the Hoh rainforest). I guess I got too close to a seagulls(?) nest. The mom started diving and screeching at me. She eventually started letting loose with turd bombs. Me, I was running back and forth across the 15' top waving my tripod over my head to keep her away from me. I eventually whacked myself in the head and made as quick an escape off the little top as I could. My friends were down below rolling in the sand laughing at me. I'd like to think I did not scream like a little girl, but I probably did too, ;) .

Great story jomoco. A shame about the bees. I know you had to get rid of them. With all the problems bees have been having and how important they are to cycle of nature, I am just glad I have not had to kill any nests off yet.
 
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Is that you in the 4th pic leaning against the tree?

Nope, that's my old buddy Ron, I'm the idiot in the first two pics sitting on the stump lacing up my Wescos as I assure a few of the ground crew that I know what I'm doing and that this nasty old tree is going to be a piece of cake!

What an idiot!

jomoco
 
The first two pics cracked me up-looked like the usual treeman circle jerk.:hmm3grin2orange:


I can't believe you guy's paranioa with bees. My grandpa raises honey bees and taught me that keeping calm is one of the best things you can do. (Although i did have a swarm drop right on top of me once and got stung over 120 times.) But bees are a part of tree work-keeping my cool i've had yellow jackets crawling on my bare arms that are no problem to lightly brush off without ever getting stung. It's when you start flailing around that they get pissed off.
 
Got any more pics? Great story. It's a little harder to brush off the bees after you ripped their nest apart.

Pics are somewhat of a sore subject on this job, everyone and their brother had cameras and videocams running claiming they had action crane footage and me covered in bees etc.

But when I go to collect copies of all this killer footage and shots I get lame footage of the crane being cribbed up the driveway and other useless boring stuff.

However I did manage to get a color photo reprint of a section of the main trunk wood that shows just how incredibly rotten and hollow this old oak was when we took it down. I'll take a digital shot of it and post it as soon as my hi-tech son gets home and shows me how to upload it to the computer.

One of the groundmen claims to have an excellent series of pics of the job being developed that I'll post if and when I can get my hands on them.

Work safe.

jomoco
 
i've had yellow jackets crawling on my bare arms that are no problem to lightly brush off without ever getting stung. It's when you start flailing around that they get pissed off.

I always find them after starting to destroy their home, like when they are in an old brushpile and as you pull it apart they come swarming after you.

Great story Joe, I'm for more pics and maybe more on how you did some of it.

I started thinking that that was not much of a tree, then noticed the house was three stories :laugh:
 
Be thankful they were not Killer Bees! Nice pics and very glad to hear no one went into Anaphylactic shock.
 
Man o Man, the oaks in San Diego...can be horrific...espically throught out the east county

nice take down, hello of job i can only imagine

i have to ask, what was the bid on that monster

i am no arborist, i do definsble space, so have no idea what that tree would run for and the conditions it is in

Thanks
canyon
 
I always find them after starting to destroy their home, like when they are in an old brushpile and as you pull it apart they come swarming after you.

That does suck. Always hated hitting a bumblee nest with a baler when i was on the wagon-swear those guys have square stingers. But i'll stick by what i said, don't flail around, just makes them madder. Leave the area calmly as quickly as possible. Easy to outrun a swarm in 20 feet or simply drop away from them quickly in a tree.
 
Nice TD jomoco by Maggio ranch!!

So yuo were teh hosers that had hwy 79 clogged up eh? Just kidding. I noticed that POS tree had been removed, I wondered who did it.

Man there are going to be LOTS of crane TDs in the next couple of years, between the drought, fungus, and a few fadign out fromt eh cedar fire!!

Fungus killed those big ones down on old hwy 80 at the first ranch just west (about 3/4 mile) from 79 to 80 junction. Trunk was solid!

I am trying to get in there to saw it up, but I got no time to do it now that I am back at work, and had no money to pay the guy for the slabs when I was not working :-( !!!!

GREAT photos, thanks for representing the backcountry to the arborist site crew!!!!!!!!
Dave from Jamul, Cuyamaca, and all points to the north and east.
 
Man o Man, the oaks in San Diego...can be horrific...espically throught out the east county

nice take down, hello of job i can only imagine

i have to ask, what was the bid on that monster

i am no arborist, i do definsble space, so have no idea what that tree would run for and the conditions it is in

Thanks
canyon

Hey there Canyon,

Even though I set the takedown price for the job and ran it, it would be unethical for me to reveal the bid price as I wasn't the prime contractor, I was just a sub doing my job very carefully.

Lots of big dead oaks in the east county here!

Work safe.

jomoco
 
Rotten Wood

Here's a pic of the lower main trunk wood.

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jomoco
 
Ok, I completely understand where you are coming from there. Well anyways nice take down.

How tall do you think that tree was? Any rough estimate?

Thanks...i am no arborist but some day...some day
 
Be thankful they were not Killer Bees! Nice pics and very glad to hear no one went into Anaphylactic shock.


Africanized bees are very common in that area, The Eruopean/African mixed bees vary in aggressiviness, but very aggressive, persistant bees are very common. I will kill the Africanized bees without hesitating.
San Deigo county has some big oaks. I cut two last summer that the NRCS measured at over 80" DBH, and a bunch in the 50"+ range. I figure their measuring to be pretty accurate as they where the ones paying.
 
I picked up a half day tree job yesterday, and noticed that there was a wasp's nest on the tree about 30' up, roughly the size of a volleyball. So last night I went up one of the trees around 7:30 and sprayed the snot out of the hive. 1 of the SOB's (white tail hornets!) got me before I even started spraying in the back of my head.

Today I had to set a line above where the hornets nest was in order to lower out 2 of the 3 trees. Well I get a few feet below the hive, they came out and 2 of them got me. I was tied in at LEAST 20' away, so to just drop out and swing away wasn't really an option, and I couldn't re-crotch without making a lot of movement. So I cut the branch which the hive was on and down they went. Even with the hive gone though, about 5 of them were keeping me at bay. 1 got me right in the chest right about where my heart is, and the other got me in my left wrist. I tried to keep as still as possible until they went away... sudden movements were a bad idea. Once I got on the ground my crew and I poured gas on the hive and lit them up. 1 10' tall ball of fire and that was it for the hive.
 
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