Come back Tom

[clearance]

Tom Dunlap should come back on here, he hasn't been around for some time. I forgive him for his misdeeds against me, time to move on. He has a lot of knowledge of trees, more than most of us, 'specially me.

I have decided to accept ISA arborists and to help them understand powerline treework, instead of not giving them a chance. I was appalled by the actions of some, that asked for crazy things. But its ok, live and let live.

So, how about it?

 

[clearance]

Tom and I were talking the other day about you and he says you can pack sand!

Be nice.

 

[treemandan]

Be nice.

From Treeco that was being nice. Are you telling me these ISA guys actually have something to say about how line clearance is done? I swear they have nothing better to do than harp.
Just the other day one of the guys I sub for was handing me the " look at what the line clearance guys did" crapola. Oh what a crock. Of course this guy wants me to top every other maple tree and he wasn't even ISA BUT I just can't stand when those guys start in with " proper pruning" when it comes to clearing the dam wires. I don't see what is so hard to understand about power line work as it seems so simple- line's clear= job's done.
Oh well, I do feel better knowing Treeco is no longer on the ISA roster.

 

[clearance]

I used to think very lowly of the ISA types in tree work management that have never done tree work themselves. I mean, if you have never done it, how can you tell people how to do it? But I have come to understand that it is better to work with these people than to dismiss them as culls. If they want to call me a hack, thats fine, been called worse things by better people.

Line clearance work ain't that simple. Mistakes can be fatal, no second chance.

Anyways, its all good.

 

[chip's-tree]

I used to think very lowly of the ISA types in tree work management that have never done tree work themselves. I mean, if you have never done it, how can you tell people how to do it? But I have come to understand that it is better to work with these people than to dismiss them as culls. If they want to call me a hack, thats fine, been called worse things by better people.

Line clearance work ain't that simple. Mistakes can be fatal, no second chance.

Anyways, its all good.

I was trained by a line clearance worker----and on occasion I clear a little line if I have too....there is no second chances if you make a mistake for sure--where as with tree service if I drop a limb on a house or something it can be fixed. I agree that there is a lot of managers out there that that are just basically full of BS---try to sound big when they are clueless...they need to get in the field before managment. most of the people that label others as hacks can't do the job themselves....It is only a tree---it can be replaced. so I call proper pruning -what ever the customer wants.

 

[treemandan]

LOL!

The customer probably knows more about proper pruning.





Do you spike climb trim jobs?

Now that would be a legititmate gripe for many reasons and you wouldn't have to be ISA to do it.

 

[kennertree]

:monkey:

LOL!

The customer probably knows more about proper pruning.





Do you spike climb trim jobs?

I was trained by a line clearance worker

 

[treemandan]

Positive rep points for that!

Well thank you.

 

[matt9923]

Christ, get a frigging room!

 

[chip's-tree]

LOL!

The customer probably knows more about proper pruning.





Do you spike climb trim jobs?

I said I was trained ( as in general techniques and safety) by a line worker. as for the proper part--I have spent most of my life studying trees so I'm not just a bag of air--like some. plus I have the head of Biology at a local university for a backup. trees are a renewable resource and in great quantity here, that the customer owns, so if they say cut it, I cut it. I was a logger for the first part of my working life so I have a great tendency to just cut it down I have never spiked a trim job in my life....ISA or any other certs are just a title that does not guarantee the job is done right....

 

[clearance]

I don't want another utility hacks/spurs thread. All I am asking is for us to move on, I was blunt and often mean in the past, others were often not as kind either. Water under the bridge.

Tom has much good advice, I look at his site now and then. He was here, he was an asset to this site. Some one call him and and get him back. Jim.

 

[jefflovstrom]

I don't want another utility hacks/spurs thread. All I am asking is for us to move on, I was blunt and often mean in the past, others were often not as kind either. Water under the bridge.

Tom has much good advice, I look at his site now and then. He was here, he was an asset to this site. Some one call him and and get him back. Jim.

How about you call him?
Jeff

 

[mckeetree]

so I'm not just a bag of air--like some.

There is plenty of them around here.

 

[jrietkerk]

Tom has much good advice, I look at his site now and then. Jim

Go engage him there - its not worth it on AS, as so many reduce discussion topics to arguments, and the arguments to absurdity, especially when utility work is brought up. Often your fault, as you admit. You should be the one calling him up. This site has been good to mainly watch the progression of tree workers like yourself, who've moved from being violently against anything that you aren't familiar with (like anything other than line clearance or tree removals) to admiting the merits of other techniques and practices, and the merits of arborists who might do more than just climb in spurs, or maybe not climb at all. You've come a long way, and brought a lot of hits to this site. If you're not getting a pay cheque from AS, you should be.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

John Sanborn sent me a link to this thread...thanks John!

What has always bothered me is narrow-minded thinking and broad brush statements...not matter the source. To say that all ISA-CAs have no clue about tree work and line clearance specifically is rubbish. To say that line clearance tree climbers don't know their job is just as much rubbish.

The disagreements that I have with Darin and his control of knowledge to and from AS is the main reason that I don't come around here very much.

Besides there is plenty of TREE talk to BUZZ about and I spend my time there. I'm really easy to find, I post under my own name...except for the infamous George Hayduke Episode...hahahaha!

And...Jim quoted me right...attack attitude is rubbish, I don't care to be around that sort of talk. There is a Utility forum of you want to talk TREEs and the BUZZ from the lines...hehehhe!

Have a great week!

Tom

 

[treemandan]

I said I was trained ( as in general techniques and safety) by a line worker. as for the proper part--I have spent most of my life studying trees so I'm not just a bag of air--like some. plus I have the head of Biology at a local university for a backup. trees are a renewable resource and in great quantity here, that the customer owns, so if they say cut it, I cut it. I was a logger for the first part of my working life so I have a great tendency to just cut it down I have never spiked a trim job in my life....ISA or any other certs are just a title that does not guarantee the job is done right....

Yeah, don't take no #### from nobody.

 

[clearance]

Good to hear from you Tom.

Now Jrietkerk and Jeff, I think you can understand that why I never posted on Toms site to ask him was I figured he wouldn't let me on it.

Many topics here turn into silliness here, been part of it myself, but there are lots of decent tree guys here as well. I was quite bitter and resentfull of what I felt to be disrespect for the utility side of treework.

But, I decided to move on, and be more level headed. Which is why the offer to bury the hatchet. Take care and be work safe everyone/Jim

 

[treemandan]

Kiss your ass? Well , I guess I am gonna need a longer chisel then

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Clearance...

'Let' you post??? Where did you get the idea that anyone needs permission to post there? From the day over ten years ago when Mark called to ask me to partner up we discussed the openness that we wanted. Free exchange of ideas and support of the industry and profession. No one has EVER been denied access or the chance to post. There are two individuals that have been banned because of their disruptive, disgusting, childish and unprofessional attitudes. Everyone gets two guesses who they are

Everyone is welcome...if the invite is too cryptic just send me a PM or email. The exchange of information is good for everyone. The world is a better place because of information sharing.

Tom

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Cute kid buddy, bet that smile warms you up when coming home after a crappy day!