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You have a good imagination... I'll give you that. LOL Ian

Generous of you.......thank you, thank you very much. :monkey:

Now for the serious: in the Game of Logging training program ( not a "game" BTW) the 'students' are made to aim reverse leaners where the instructor plants a stake. Hillsides, double leaners, uneven imbalanced canopies all are taken into the felling plan. Wedges, used the right way, with the right face and back cuts, will, not can, lift and direct the fall where you want it. Sometimes we'll use 3-4+ wedges to push over a good sized DBH leaner.
I use the techniques in daily harvesting.:cheers:
 
Generous of you.......thank you, thank you very much. :monkey:

Now for the serious: in the Game of Logging training program ( not a "game" BTW) the 'students' are made to aim reverse leaners where the instructor plants a stake. Hillsides, double leaners, uneven imbalanced canopies all are taken into the felling plan. Wedges, used the right way, with the right face and back cuts, will, not can, lift and direct the fall where you want it. Sometimes we'll use 3-4+ wedges to push over a good sized DBH leaner.
I use the techniques in daily harvesting.:cheers:


I don't know much about the game of logging, but I do know about the game of real life and learning hard knocks. The GOL is held in high reguard around here, I don't believe Mr. Haywood has been to GOL at least not by his postings. So GOL has nothing to do with this thread. You I take it have been to GOL, good for you. Leave it there. Mr. Haywwod has said time and again that he is an amateur and will leave the nasty stuff to the pro's so your double leaner, hillside, imbalanced canopy trees can be left to the side here. He has stated taht he would not mess with them. I use(d) wedge in daily work aswell and they CAN, not will lift a good size leaner. For what the wedges cannot lift you have jacks. Dumping 3-4+ wedges in a backcut is nothing to pump your chest about. Where I am, punching 6-8 in the back just to stop sit-back is a routine situation. To lift you may have several double stacks or in few cases even triple stacks of wedges, Just to lift off the stump on a clean stright piece of wood.

Don't let your graduation from GOl be your arrogant down fall. There is a whole world out there that they cannot prepare you for. Real world cutting, you make the hard calls, WiTH OUT an instructor standing close by to bail you out of something that is beyond your capabilities.

A guy simply comes here to let us know what he has been doing and what he has been learning. Not soliciting anything, some of us try to offer up what we have learned in hopes of him becomming better/safer at something he enjoys doing.

Oh yes you did...see below for details.



Dear Mr. Ian:

Question #1: How do I cut on slopes ?

Question #2: How to fell so that the bar won't pinch ? ( technique )

Question #3: How do I use wedges ( or give them :) ) correctly so that
I MAKE the tree fall where I want it to, AND so that I don't
screw up and pinch the bar when the said tree goes where I
don't want it to go ? Whew.....that was a long question H ².
:cry:

Question # 4: How can I really be humbled ? :monkey:

Now to the answers which will be forthcoming ( don't know what that means, but it sounds good. ) from others with more talent and skill than this poster.

I agree you have a great imagination. Or very strange philisophical views on what a question is.

Someone relaying what they have experienced is not a question. It is an honest account of what the have done or are going through at the time.

Others with more talent and skill, have offered some good unsolicited advise.

Your inturpritaion of question #4. You haven't been doing this for long or you would know the answer to that. "How can I really be humbled?". Answer. No matter if you do this work for fun or pay, the ultimate humbling experience is death. For someone who is engaged in daily harvest you should know that answer better than most on this board. It doesn't take much for things to drastically wrong and then you pay the ultimate price. Or IMO worse yet would be a mamming, crippling injury. Which is generally how things work while cutting, compare serious(life altering) to nonserious injuries and you will find that serious far out weigh the non, atleast in my experience.

For your inturpretaions of #s 1, 2 & 3. I think I have finally found someone that was born knowing how to do this. No wait you went to GOL. So you needed some help only you solicited and paid for your questions to be answered :monkey:.

Do I have answers for Mr. Haywood? Nope. No questions were asked. Did I throw an idea out to him for future use? Yup, unsolicited of coarse.

Do I have or does anyone else have all the answers? Not by a long shot. However as a collective whole this board has 100s of years of experience floating around. It may pay to listen to some of it. Be it either questions asked and answers given, or accounts of the day and advise offered.

Also remember and I hope everyone here does. This is a public board. Answers and advise are worth what you pay for them. I have seen some guys here talk a great game, however it's small things that experience will catch over and over and you will know that person is not what they claim to be.

No questions were asked. Leave this alone.

Owl
 
Logbutcher, I'd just like to say that I truly appreciate all the unsolicited advice from the professionals, including yourself... but the buttkick and rolling eyed monkey made your response appear arrogant and condescending even if that wasn't your intent. I assume it wasn't. You've been here twice as long as I and I don't recall you being that way before. I sometimes have to remind myself that how someone types a post isn't always how everyone else interprets it.

be safe (and I'll try :)),
Ian
 
I don't know much about the game of logging, but I do know about the game of real life and learning hard knocks. The GOL is held in high reguard around here, I don't believe Mr. Haywood has been to GOL at least not by his postings. So GOL has nothing to do with this thread. You I take it have been to GOL, good for you. Leave it there. Mr. Haywwod has said time and again that he is an amateur and will leave the nasty stuff to the pro's so your double leaner, hillside, imbalanced canopy trees can be left to the side here. He has stated taht he would not mess with them. I use(d) wedge in daily work aswell and they CAN, not will lift a good size leaner. For what the wedges cannot lift you have jacks. Dumping 3-4+ wedges in a backcut is nothing to pump your chest about. Where I am, punching 6-8 in the back just to stop sit-back is a routine situation. To lift you may have several double stacks or in few cases even triple stacks of wedges, Just to lift off the stump on a clean stright piece of wood.

Don't let your graduation from GOl be your arrogant down fall. There is a whole world out there that they cannot prepare you for. Real world cutting, you make the hard calls, WiTH OUT an instructor standing close by to bail you out of something that is beyond your capabilities.

A guy simply comes here to let us know what he has been doing and what he has been learning. Not soliciting anything, some of us try to offer up what we have learned in hopes of him becomming better/safer at something he enjoys doing.



I agree you have a great imagination. Or very strange philisophical views on what a question is.
Someone relaying what they have experienced is not a question. It is an honest account of what the have done or are going through at the time.

Others with more talent and skill, have offered some good unsolicited advise.

Your inturpritaion of question #4. You haven't been doing this for long or you would know the answer to that. "How can I really be humbled?". Answer. No matter if you do this work for fun or pay, the ultimate humbling experience is death. For someone who is engaged in daily harvest you should know that answer better than most on this board. It doesn't take much for things to drastically wrong and then you pay the ultimate price. Or IMO worse yet would be a mamming, crippling injury. Which is generally how things work while cutting, compare serious(life altering) to nonserious injuries and you will find that serious far out weigh the non, atleast in my experience.

For your inturpretaions of #s 1, 2 & 3. I think I have finally found someone that was born knowing how to do this. No wait you went to GOL. So you needed some help only you solicited and paid for your questions to be answered :monkey:.

Do I have answers for Mr. Haywood? Nope. No questions were asked. Did I throw an idea out to him for future use? Yup, unsolicited of coarse.

Do I have or does anyone else have all the answers? Not by a long shot. However as a collective whole this board has 100s of years of experience floating around. It may pay to listen to some of it. Be it either questions asked and answers given, or accounts of the day and advise offered.

Also remember and I hope everyone here does. This is a public board. Answers and advise are worth what you pay for them. I have seen some guys here talk a great game, however it's small things that experience will catch over and over and you will know that person is not what they claim to be.

No questions were asked. Leave this alone.
Owl

Logbutcher, I'd just like to say that I truly appreciate all the unsolicited advice from the professionals, including yourself... but the buttkick and rolling eyed monkey made your response appear arrogant and condescending even if that wasn't your intent. I assume it wasn't. You've been here twice as long as I and I don't recall you being that way before. I sometimes have to remind myself that how someone types a post isn't always how everyone else interprets it.

be safe (and I'll try :)),
Ian

Thanks HH ( H² ). I am not worthy: didn't know how these Buttkick and monkey things work. I swear: never again. Right hand is where it belongs. Apologies to you.


Now for the Mr. Owl enabled, incomprehensible, long, long treatise: Take a hike. (That's polite talk Owl ). I was giving advice from on the ground real world experience. Take it or not. But c'mon: you gotta learn to spell boy especially if you're going to insult. ( No smilies used here even though I'm tempted .)
BTW: the GOL program is run for and by pros. I learned more in the tough class than in all my time hacking trees. Look it up, ask those who've been through it. Worthwhile. You don't "graduate", you pass or fail.
And: when I stop learning or being humble about what I don't know, I will not be down for breakfast. Smilie here please.

Owl: I once followed orders. I had the priviledge (sp.) of giving orders. I now do not follow anything....like,,,,,"leave this alone" ( choice of smilie here).
Lighten up. We are not what the online persona appears to be. Have fun. Be serious only when tool using and caring.:agree2:
JMNSHO
 
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On a brighter note, I ordered a 12' x 3/8" cat choker yesterday from Bailey's to assist with the tractor skidding. Should be easier to fish under logs and easier to hook/unhook than a chain.

Ian
 
On a brighter note, I ordered a 12' x 3/8" cat choker yesterday from Bailey's to assist with the tractor skidding. Should be easier to fish under logs and easier to hook/unhook than a chain.

Ian

I wish I had purchased mine years ago.
I have 3 of them now.. One is a lot shorter after the dozer said go and that monster red oak said whoa.
The next time I buy I won't buy cat chokers.. I just want a ball thingy on each end and a gadget that slides on the cable to hook the ball thingy into.. I have a gadget thingy on the back of the dozer so I do not need the eye.. Does that make any sense.? Maybe one of these loggers here knows what a thingy is..
 
Eric, sounds like you need one of the 1/2" chokers for those bigguns... :)

The only drawback I can see is there's no way to use just part of it like you can a chain. No way to hook into the middle. I'm hoping that we'll be able to use the 3 point boom to lift one end of the logs so we don't drag the bark full of dirt. I can see having a short one to use with the boom and the 12 footer for more reach. These are smallish trees so I was thinking of using more of the cable up by cutting 10 foot logs and dragging 4 or 5 at a time out bunched together. We'll see how it works out when we get out there again.

Ian
 

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