DEDA lanyard with ART Positioners

[Tom Dunlap]

This is how I have my DEDA lanyard set up. The square MR threaded through the webbing eye. I might cut off the d-ring to tidy things up a bit more.

Tom

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Now that is a pricey lanyard

 

[rahtreelimbs]

What does DEDA stand for?

 

[Stumper]

Double Ended Double Adjusting. Tom's earlier posts about his lanyard inspired me to create the BEDA- Bare ended double adjusting. Slightly less versatile but much less complex --I really like the BEDA lanyard.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Stumper,

Could you describe the BEDA?

The same system can be setup using hitches for the adjusters and brass dog leash snaps for adjusters. Total cost: less than eight dollars.

When I had my tied DEDA the adjuster that was with the plain snap was made with white cord, red cord for the red snap.

Tom

 

[Stumper]

Tom, The one which I am currently using is 14' long. It is assembled with 1/2" 3 strand polyester(lanyard), green 3/8" StaSet for left distel on dbl locking Aluminum snap with brass swivel snap for slack tender, White 5/16" Sta set for right Distel-also on al. snap with brass snap tender. I daisy chain the tail on the right side and clip it to the D with an accessory 'biner. The left side has about 3' of tail when clipped to the right D prior to deployment (just short enough to keep it out from underfoot)about 5.5 to 6" between the hitches when it is not in use-again keeping stuff out from underfoot. I think I took a pic- I'll try to post it. Both ends terminate in Lanyard knots(wall knots with the rope relaid and whipped beyond the knots.) The lanyard knot will not pass through the brass snap and the Distel will not ride over one-it is an effective low bulk stopper. Thanks for the inspiration-this isn't necessarily better than your DEDA but it fits my needs well.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Put one more clip on and you can double end that puppy. (eww now that sounds sick. Sometimes I wish I clould take at least some of the jarhead out of me)

 

[Stumper]

John,I considered doing that but I haven't felt much need for double ending the lanyard since I switched to a split-tail system-in effect I already have 2 lanyards. If I did add a snap I would probably use it occassionally but I don't feel like I NEED it.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Stumper,

I'm have a thick-head moment. What does the B stand for?

It seems like you have a single lanyard with two floating connectors. How do you figure that you have two lanyards?

I must be missing something...

Tom

 

[Mahk]

Tom:

'B' is for 'bare'.

Originally posted by Stumper
the BEDA- Bare ended double adjusting. Slightly less versatile but much less complex --I really like the BEDA lanyard.

Both snaps are adjustable, but it is not a 2-in-one.

Stumper;

What flexibility does this give you that a single adjusting lanyard does not?

Mahk

 

[Stumper]

Tom, Mahk is correct-B is for bare. My "2 lanyards"reference is about the ability to use the climbing line with split tail as a second lanyard in secured free climb mode- the most common use for a double ended lanyard.(Perhaps you have some tips about other benefits of having a second leg on the lanyard).

Mahk, The primary benefit of the BEDA configuration is in the slack tending of a long lanyard- the 2 tails allow quite a lot of adjustment while still keeping everything out of my feet. Also the bare ends are a little easier to catch when slapped around a trunk compared to a snap in the knuckles.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

The BEDA seems like a tiny step along the lanyard evolution. As long as you're carrying all that gear why not reconfigure and get all of the advantages of the DEDA?

there are times when I use both ends for positioning. This is especially advantagous when the climbing rope is at a low angle.

Tom

 

[Stumper]

Tom,Granted-it is just a baby step- but up until a year ago I was climbing with an adjustable buckstrap lanyard. This config is far more versatile than the buckstrap without a lot more gear and bulk. I can see where double rigging the respective ends of the DEDA would be helpful-though I don't know how often in the limited climbing that I do.

My point about you inspiring me was that when you posted about the DEDA I understood what you were talking about but it seemed beyond my needs. I did see a big advantage in the double adjusting feature for my own peculiar application. While from your standpoint it probably seems silly not to go all the way to the DEDA you did cause me to think and incorporate features into my immediate needs. I'm probably just going back to a step that was skipped over in lanyard development but I like it here for the time being.:angel:

 

[BrianCooke]

That positioner.....

How exactly does the positioner work? From the pictures it seems to act like a microcender but might also be able to let the rope go the other direction via a 'trigger', is this correct?

I ask in that I use single rope, tying one end of the rope to the base of the tree & climbing on the other. I use ascenders to climb & use a figure 8 to descend. I've been looking for something to replace one ascender so I can use it on descents as well without having to swap out gear in the tree, also to have a safer and better way to stop mid descent if I need to. I think the Petzl I'd would work if it would freely ascend but not sure if it does or not.

Anyways, thanks for the info,
Brian Cooke

p.s. I just called Sherrill and their purchasing dept has heard of the Positioner but they do not have any in (not sure if they just can't get them in or if they are not going to carry it).

 

[seanlarkin]

Brian, (and everyone else, too),
I'm pretty sure that we're going to be carrying the ART Positioner, once we can get a hold of them. I'm sure what the hold up is, though. I think Tobe is handling it himself, which is why our purchasing folks aren't as informed as would be if they were handling this item.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Stumper,

Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean for it to sound like I was being a gear snob You got it right, "I'm probably just going back to a step that was skipped over in
lanyard development but I like it here for the time being." The evolution of lanyards is an interesting subject. When I started climbing I used a flat belt buck strap from the phone company. Until I saw rope lanyards with a Gibbs I was really frustrated with the buckle ALWAYS being on the back of the tree.


Glad to hear that you're moving forward!

I would be reluctant to endorse the use of the P for anything but a lanyard adjuster. At the end of the month Hubert will have the website for ART on line.

Using the P for an ascender seems like a bad idea. Since we climb through brush, I could see something bumping the hoop and releasing the grab. My SRT setup is a Microcender as an upper and a Rocker attached to my saddle as a backup.

Tom

 

[ramanujan]

i have to ask tom, isn't your lanyard a little more cumbersome than it is helpful?

i suppose that if a had it i would use it, but on the rare occasion that i need a third TIP i use the tail of my climbing line, very rarely tho.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I use a 30 ft lanyard and utilize most of it on almost every big tree. I can lanyard into more places and work myself away from them.

A few weeks ago I tried to go back to a 9ft lanyard, and it sucked (Not your work Nick, the lenght I had you make it.)

I've thought of putting a prussick on the tail end, as Stumper uses in his BEDA, or the old fashioned "prussick" lanyards. Not raly owrth it to me since I climb more like I'm using two lines instead of a lanrad and climbing line. Just every once and a while I would like to flip into something before moving the lanyard, Like tom says, when the tip is at a real flat angle.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

I find the DEDA so useful, I wouldn't be without it. There are times when it does get to be a bird's nest though. That's one of the prices that I'm willing to pay to have such a useful system. Having the Positioners makes it smoother than using hitches and snaps for slack tenders.

There are times, even in a decurrent crown, that I use the DEDA to ascend into a lead. IF my climbing line isn't tied into a great place, I might find myself pulled off-lead. With the DEDA I can ascend and leave my climbing line slack out a little without worrying about taking a slam dunk.

Even though I don't always use both Adjusters, I do use the 20' lanyard a lot.

Tom

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

i just upped to 22' from all JP's posts about 30', working pretty well acutally. i am looking at doing something like Stumper wiht end of daisey chain.

Have dropped the microscender, gone rope after reading Tom's posts, now; more gear.

Took, Brian's threading the lanyard thru the karab, to the D,

to back up the self tending action of Knut's hitch someone posted,

Not to mention Sherrill's aluminum snap for other end,


That i tied to the D ring like Mark Chisholm,

Only real tight with barrel for first leg straight to D, then Knut, then around D, to lobster first leg, for neat finish.

And i guess i'm liking it real well, it stays on top of the D, adjusts very smoothly in and out, loaded or not.

So, i guess i can take all the credit for that , after all i did tie the last knot diffrent, to make it more compact. Acctually is pretty tight,a nd smaller than microscender after working all the slack out.

Thanks a lot all!
-KC