Do you work with a bunch of drunks?

[EdenT]

:agree2:
Or brain injured. Actually I was able to decipher the last sentence (I think), and he seems to be indicating that alcohol consumption and brain damage are linked. I also believe grammar as bad as his, failure to sentence a structure or argument, and heinously bad spelling may all be linked to brain damage as well. It is therefore my proposition that at some time in his life FTA has been subjected to either a lot of heavy blows to the head, (possible given his winning personality), or lots and lots of really cheap harsh liquor.

 

[pdqdl]

Maybe we should get breathalyzers attached to our computers so that we can get into the newly formed "no drunks allowed" forum at AS?

 

[pdqdl]

Cannabis was not made illegal because it is a drug. It was made illegal by two powerful industry lobbies campaigns during / just after World War II. The first of these lobbies was the then brand new nylon industry which wanted the hemp competition for the rope market removed. The second industry was the coal industry...

I don't think so! Please read this somewhat biased but factual account of why & how marajuana became illegal:

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
(references are cited at the end)

Or this rather unbiased general statement that does not include much historical context or very many facts:
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/drugpolicy/tp/Why-is-Marijuana-Illegal.htm

Here is a pretty good explanation, complete with answers provided from different perspectives: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_marijuana_illegal

I don't doubt that some influence peddlers inspired government to enact this law, or that one. The real fact is that anti-marijuana legislation started LONG before the 1937 tax law, and the most significant anti-pot laws were enacted long after hemp was no longer any economic threat to the nylon, paper, or petrochemical industries. These are the claims forwarded by biased opinions to avoid the real reason that the laws persist: there are social biases against those parts of the population that have historically used pot, there are trends in our society to make illegal anything that has been shown to be a mood altering drug, and there are some genuinely valid reasons why smoking weed are detrimental.

My opinion: legalize it. socially stigmatize smoking it, and quit wasting my tax dollars keeping idiots in jail that smoke or sell it. Let it be a cash crop, and then let it fall out of favor as a recreational drug.

 

[EdenT]

I take it you are referring to my statement that dope was not made illegal because it was a drug. Technically yes it was or at least that was the focus of the PR campaign, the real reason IE how it was funded and pushed through was more to do with the industrial interests that stood to benefit. From your own reference - http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_marijuana_illegal


William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.


Of course the time line in my mind is shot to hell - probably all that pot.
I think your final statement is one of the most sensible anti-pot solutions I have heard to date. I could not agree with you more.

Anyhow I don't want to debate pot anymore! I agree with almost everything you have said and I know I will never change your personal beliefs about it or the users of it and you will never change mine.

So you have your and I'll have my :smoking:, and we won't tell each other if we are under the influence when online so no-one can be offended.

PEACE MAN

 

[danieltree]

Seems kinda socialist or communist to me.I have more problems with alcohol than weed.I don't care for either but from what I see,weed seems to cause folks a lot less problems.

I figure let them come to work,if they suck,get rid of them.If they work and leave the crap at home.

I find that the best screening process is whether they can sharpen a chain.If they can't,I don't think they should be running saws and other dangerous tree equipment. It's really a simple task to learn and it seems that folks who know how to sharpen a chain are a lot less likely to dull one.

Dull chains and brains cost money. I agree 100 percent.​

 

[ForTheArborist]

You were definitely high to write all of that brain ooze.

What do you mean definitely? You don't even know definitely what you meant when you wrote that, ya dunce. Put this together. Guy writes about staying away from the stuff. Guy was on the stuff when he writes it. I'm fairly honest when I say that you are one of the billions of parasite bafoons that have no idea what your words mean when ever you iterate with them. It must feel good for you, eh? I figured that much.

 

[ForTheArborist]

:agree2:
Or brain injured. Actually I was able to decipher the last sentence (I think), and he seems to be indicating that alcohol consumption and brain damage are linked. I also believe grammar as bad as his, failure to sentence a structure or argument, and heinously bad spelling may all be linked to brain damage as well. It is therefore my proposition that at some time in his life FTA has been subjected to either a lot of heavy blows to the head, (possible given his winning personality), or lots and lots of really cheap harsh liquor.

You're full of doo doo. You're the bafoon that kept posting BS about hierogliphics for a week straight. No one came out there and said you were a complete retard though. :deadhorse:

 

[BC WetCoast]

I don't think so! Please read this somewhat biased but factual account of why & how marajuana became illegal:

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
(references are cited at the end)

Or this rather unbiased general statement that does not include much historical context or very many facts:
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/drugpolicy/tp/Why-is-Marijuana-Illegal.htm

Here is a pretty good explanation, complete with answers provided from different perspectives: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_marijuana_illegal

I don't doubt that some influence peddlers inspired government to enact this law, or that one. The real fact is that anti-marijuana legislation started LONG before the 1937 tax law, and the most significant anti-pot laws were enacted long after hemp was no longer any economic threat to the nylon, paper, or petrochemical industries. These are the claims forwarded by biased opinions to avoid the real reason that the laws persist: there are social biases against those parts of the population that have historically used pot, there are trends in our society to make illegal anything that has been shown to be a mood altering drug, and there are some genuinely valid reasons why smoking weed are detrimental.

My opinion: legalize it. socially stigmatize smoking it, and quit wasting my tax dollars keeping idiots in jail that smoke or sell it. Let it be a cash crop, and then let it fall out of favor as a recreational drug.

Legalize it, tax the he ll out of it and pay of the national debt.

Win win

 

[tree md]

I don't really participate in a lot of the political debates around here about legalizing weed because to tell the truth, I could care less. I don't smoke it so I could give two $#!+$ what they do. I participated in this thread because I have seen a problem with it in the workplace. Granted, I have seen a lot of guys who seem to be able to handle it at work but I never considered myself one of those guys so I left it alone on the job. I think anyone with an unbiased view would say that any mind altering substances in the work place is probably not the best idea. Especially when lives and property could be jeopardized

But as far as in society, I have to say that I am tired of seeing my money wasted on locking up people and having to pay for them as well as fund law enforcement for a failed drug war. How many billions of tax dollars have been spent housing end users of drugs and funding the law enforcement for a policy that is clearly not working and never has?

The thugs, dealers and foreign cartels get richer and richer, prison populations swell till they're bursting and law enforcement feeds off of it because of the profit.

Decriminalize it, take the money out of the hands of the thugs and watch the violence nearly vanish in this country. I'll guarantee you.

 

[pdqdl]

TMD: I wish it weren't so, but what you posted is true.

The real solution for the endemic drug problem is for society to remove the economic incentive for selling it, particularly pushing it to the minors.

1. Legalize. Well...maybe just de-criminalize. Make all that crap available at the pharmacy. [ban ALL forms of advertising, however] Druggies would need to have a prescription that could be ordered for them by a government sponsored program.

2. Enact monstrous, draconian fines for illegally importing or distributing any contraband. You bring it in illegally, you WILL become poor again.

3. Drug testing in the work place for sensitive jobs, sports, school, etc. I know this isn't very popular, but if the young bucks lost their jobs or couldn't play sports because they failed the piss test, then they wouldn't be very attractive to girls. Loosing all your assets by possessing illegal contraband would make you rather unpopular, too. NOW you got their attention, and the decline in popularity of any drug has begun. Society would exert a powerful incentive to not buy [legally] the things that caused the buyer to become poorer and less popular.

4. Absolutely do NOT tax any of the currently banned drugs. That's all we need: To have our government concealing a vested interest in maintaining our drug dependencies as a revenue stream. It was the government "Revenuers" seeking out unlicensed and un-taxed liquor stills that inspired booze running and possibly the failed attempt at prohibition. [Curiously, it also indirectly lead to NASCAR, the country's most popular sport!]


In the end, the impoverished drug users would get a cheaper safer product that would not require a life of crime to obtain. The outlandish revenue generated from taking the high risk of illegally trading in drugs would be gone. So too, would the allure of living the exciting life of a drug dealer. Society would universally discourage drug dependencies, because there would not be many desirable attributes left to taking the stuff.

Now back to booze. Does anybody have a great plan for limiting our problems from that stuff? Antabuse in the public water supply?
(http://alcoholism.about.com/od/meds/a/antabuse.htm)

 

[EdenT]

You're full of doo doo. You're the bafoon that kept posting BS about hierogliphics for a week straight. No one came out there and said you were a complete retard though. :deadhorse:

Your intellectual capacity is once again clearly demonstrated. It is buffoon not bafoon, hieroglyphics not hierogliphics, and you are an idiot with a chainsaw, not an Arborist. While the joke of the palm tree thread clearly exceeded your mental capacity, most of the readers on here actually understood and enjoyed it. Your use of the word 'retard' is offensive (to many people who actually suffer from a mental health condition), unless you use it in a sentence such as -

'FTA retards the advancement of workplace safety levels in the United States of America'

And yes I am also the 'bafoon' who made you look like a complete 'doo doo' in your thread about doing dumb things to eucalyptus with a pole-saw. I almost forgot to say, thanks for the rep. Here's the thread if anyone missed it - Fun with tree's

Go away, or stay and play, but I will make you look very stupid, very often.

 

[EdenT]

TMD: I wish it weren't so, but what you posted is true.

The real solution for the endemic drug problem is for society to remove the economic incentive for selling it, particularly pushing it to the minors.

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Now back to booze. Does anybody have a great plan for limiting our problems from that stuff? Antabuse in the public water supply?
(http://alcoholism.about.com/od/meds/a/antabuse.htm)

Hey pdqdl, damn it I'm back. Couldn't resist FTA's inspiring posts. Totally agree with what has been said. I still think selling the stuff should be treated as a capital crime. I think growing some in your backyard for personal use is OK, but the minute you try to sell it, goal. If you sell or push it to a minor then warm up old sparky, time to ride the lightning.

I think you are dead right about government not taxing drugs. Look at the war on tobacco - what a joke. I am not against testing in the workplace, I am against the results being misinterpreted.

Now back to the booze. I was thinking about your problem of having to give people the day off when they come to work under the influence. Rather than giving them the day off, what about making them sit in your yard, without pay until they are capable of passing the breath test. Heck, I reckon if I had to nurse a hangover in a noisy yard, bored out of my brains, and not being paid, I would not be keen to repeat the experience.

The antabuse idea is good, but how many alcoholics do you know that drink water? Oh, and it might kill some people. Oh, and please do not encourage the government to put anything in the water supply. Interesting film on this subject - Serenity. Sort of space adventure but some wicked comments on governmental control of citizens through environmental tampering.

 

[ForTheArborist]

Your intellectual capacity is once again clearly demonstrated. It is buffoon not bafoon, hieroglyphics not hierogliphics, and you are an idiot with a chainsaw, not an Arborist. While the joke of the palm tree thread clearly exceeded your mental capacity, most of the readers on here actually understood and enjoyed it. Your use of the word 'retard' is offensive (to many people who actually suffer from a mental health condition), unless you use it in a sentence such as -

'FTA retards the advancement of workplace safety levels in the United States of America'

And yes I am also the 'bafoon' who made you look like a complete 'doo doo' in your thread about doing dumb things to eucalyptus with a pole-saw. I almost forgot to say, thanks for the rep. Here's the thread if anyone missed it - Fun with tree's

Go away, or stay and play, but I will make you look very stupid, very often.

Maybe you have the trees down because you're something like 20 years older than me and 30 years longer at this kind of work, but you're a phony nag. I know because I outraged you about things like how I did tie a euc tree and how I did mifpell a wittle word.

You are a ditz. Most of your accusations are exagerations to say the most about them. My respect can't reach you. You're still too high.

 

[EdenT]

:spam::stupid:
I know you're trying to say something. Ummm. CAN YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? Sprechen sie deutsch? Parlez vous francais?

No, you can't outrage me. You are way too pathetic. You irritate me by being disrespectful to many people on this forum who know far more than I probably ever will. I have simply decided to repay all the respect you have shown to my betters.

Anyhow let's quit spoiling this thread. Why don't you start a thread with your latest dastardly deeds and we can get into it there.
:spam::arg:

 

[highpointtree]

watch out for the typo police..:monkey:

 

[tree MDS]

:spam::stupid:
I know you're trying to say something. Ummm. CAN YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? Sprechen sie deutsch? Parlez vous francais?

No, you can't outrage me. You are way too pathetic. You irritate me by being disrespectful to many people on this forum who know far more than I probably ever will. I have simply decided to repay all the respect you have shown to my betters.

Anyhow let's quit spoiling this thread. Why don't you start a thread with your latest dastardly deeds and we can get into it there.
:spam::arg:

LOL!

He sure is a mind numbing read isnt he ... I think "brain ooze" sums it up nicely. Its like someone hit him in the head with an I beam, and whats left up there is dribbling onto his keyboard. lol

 

[ForTheArborist]

Eden, you're such a douchebag. Anybody can read what I wrote. Why would changing languages work for me or anyone else? You're like a stupid kid trying to steal cookies at the bakery with the owner standing over you. "He can't zee meee."

The problem with a lot of you internet butt nuts is that they don't have a fully developed theory of mind. That is when a person can assume what someone can easily assume, so they adjust what is necessary to say accordingly. Kid's before they have it often lie assuming others have no memory or something. Guys like figure everyone is as numb headed as themselves, and they assume that no one can figure them out because they are so groovey or something. Well, you fish are never any different no matter how big of a school you believe you are traveling in.

I think what the problem, little nag kid, is that you're a pot head, and I hit a chord with that that you didn't like. Why would you start a fight, claim I'm the start of all of the problems, and then ag on the thing? Could it be a lack of sensibility? Aren't you the one that claims you always smoke pot and that you have lost your mind? That is what I've gathered from your admisions so far.

You are like a rabid little house dog with no teeth. Yap, yap, yap, flunky. Bring it on.:bringit: Ouch, you bit me. Oh no, you're just sucking my hand because you don't have what it takes to bite.

 

[highpointtree]

cabin fever

LOOKS LIKE THE NATIVES ARE RESTLESS !!

 

[ChiHD]

LOOKS LIKE THE NATIVES ARE RESTLESS !!

yeah we all have too much time on our hands lately!

:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[treevet]

are we having fun yet?