Do you work with one tie in point?

[clearance]

One tie in point is permitted her, as long as its a steelcore. Very rarely am I tied in twice, like with a rope to one point and my steelcore around a stem or branch. Only when I need to be.

 

[ozzy42]

Sometimes 1 sometimes 2 depend on the situation.
But if it is 1 it is my lifeline ,not a flip line or buckstrap.
I always want a quick way to the ground.Can't do that with a FL.

 

[southsoundtree]

I almost always use a climbline and steelcore flipline (unless near wires).

I think that there are cases where a break-away lanyard is a good situation. If the trunk that you are lanyarded into were to fail, the breakaway lets you swing back toward your climbline TIP.

I've used a piece of rope with no stopper knot with a friction hitch as a slide-off option if I need to lanyard into a sketchy situation.

I believe that the requirement of using 2 tie-ins is unless it can be proven to be more dangerous to have 2 tie-ins. Anyone, is this correct? Burden of proof on employer, I suspect.

 

[JTinaTree]

Yeah, I use one tie in ,useing one tie in is the COOLEST!!! your not COOL unless you use on TIP!!!!




Ya"ll know im kidding right?

 

[clearance]

Yeah, I use one tie in ,useing one tie in is the COOLEST!!! your not COOL unless you use on TIP!!!!




Ya"ll know im kidding right?

On the glass pipe? I climb with spurs, I guess you need more support when your feet are doing whaterver.......Its all good J, no big deal.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I climb with spurs, I guess you need more support when your feet are doing whaterver

But then you are not specializing in tree care, your work takes the tree in as a tertiary concern, if at all. Clearance, production, maybe some safety, then we might think about the tree if there s time left on the clock.

 

[lostcoastland]

But then you are not specializing in tree care, your work takes the tree in as a tertiary concern, if at all. Clearance, production, maybe some safety, then we might think about the tree if there s time left on the clock.

Oh dont be such a hippy John Sanborn..I'm sure you've cut a tree down...and if you did who cares if your firewood has holes in it......

Hat off to you clearance for taking care of the people and getting #### from hippy's all day...

Any tree work you do..caring about the tree will only distract you and get you hurt...you gotta own that son of a #####..stick to the plan...Some people take care of people in the hospital...other people go out and kill ...which one do you think is harder??

 

[jomoco]

Oh dont be such a hippy John Sanborn..I'm sure you've cut a tree down...and if you did who cares if your firewood has holes in it......

Hat off to you clearance for taking care of the people and getting #### from hippy's all day...

Any tree work you do..caring about the tree will only distract you and get you hurt...you gotta own that son of a #####..stick to the plan...Some people take care of people in the hospital...other people go out and kill ...which one do you think is harder??

Hey dude, like, this is the tree CARE forum man, not the logging forum.

You're like, callin down massive amounts of bad tree karma on your head, dude.

jomoco

 

[tomtrees58]

just a old school climber we all started with hemp rope as are climbing line tom trees

 

[lostcoastland]

I don't mean to say ones better than the other but you cant give a guy #### for climbing with spikes...unless i'm showing up to prune your Champion maple....but this is COMMERCIAL TREE.....should be service...i'd love to see TREE CARE on the side of a truck doing a takedown....it's part of the buisness...like being a vet that puts down dogs...

 

[jomoco]

I don't mean to say ones better than the other but you cant give a guy #### for climbing with spikes...unless i'm showing up to prune your Champion maple....but this is COMMERCIAL TREE.....should be service...i'd love to see TREE CARE on the side of a truck doing a takedown....it's part of the buisness...like being a vet that puts down dogs...

I gather you're unaware of the new ISA code of ethics regulations?

Well it's like this, if you're a certified arborist, and you see another certified arborist gaffing a tree he's pruning, you are then obligated to report his sacrilege to the ISA ethics board. And in a secret confidential undisclosed meeting room, ISA "authorities" will decide whether to pull your ISA certification or not.

Hey man, didn't you get the ISA update notification letter on the new narc off policy?

Nothing like a friendly little civil war between ISA members!

jomoco

 

[lostcoastland]

you cant give a guy #### for climbing with spikes...unless i'm showing up to prune

I'm Sorry John...I should not have called names.....things in text seem to be less lighthearted than in my mind and how i would joke with you in person. All i'm saying is that guys with spikes arent doign anything wrong UNLESS there climbing preservation tree's. And not all tress are preservation tree's....

 

[lostcoastland]

That dont scare me I;m carefull on trees and a excellent pruner from doign landscape maintaince when i was younger..I also know how to use a throwline and drt, ect...but when it's coming down..i'd never go up without em...whadyya gonna do make a false crotch with two footloops ? plus i stay busy with other arborist side work and my own jobs where i dont need arborist cert...my education on trees comes from my homie i work with that rigged 15 of the twenty tallest trees in the world...he doesnt use spikes on trees often...but he often has tricky times on jobs where the trees comign down anyway....He's got a Masters from Humboldt State and rigged trees for steve sillet( see nat, geo Redwoods edition) . Theres no arguement for spikes ...dont use em except removals...and redwoods but that just a novelty for me...i actually loathe small pruning jobs on nice ortamental hardwoods ,,with no spike..!!! I love getting to a tie in and gettign off the spikes so i aint no lineman....it does take balls to spike over a 100' on a spar with only a flipline and spikes though....and go back down....no ropes...try it some time if you get a chance...But dont use a regular rope with a chainsaw....

 

[SINGLE-JACK]

just a old school climber we all started with hemp rope as are climbing line tom trees

AMEN! remember when braided rope was "new school"? Man, did that change things!!!

 

[Bermie]

I don't mean to say ones better than the other but you cant give a guy #### for climbing with spikes...unless i'm showing up to prune your Champion maple....but this is COMMERCIAL TREE.....should be service...i'd love to see TREE CARE on the side of a truck doing a takedown....it's part of the buisness...like being a vet that puts down dogs...

That dont scare me I;m carefull on trees and a excellent pruner from doign landscape maintaince when i was younger..I also know how to use a throwline and drt, ect...but when it's coming down..i'd never go up without em...whadyya gonna do make a false crotch with two footloops ? .

Sorry to burst your bubble....my company name is Tree Care & Training...and I do takedowns, with the van parked right there for all and sundry to see...and YES I climb prunes with two footloops to make false crotches, 25' vertical on once occasion!

And then again I have been known to spike a prune when its a casuarina which is a waterlogged nasty invasive piece of..... We all have our dirty little secrets....oops I guess its not secret any more

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

SWe all have our dirty little secrets....oops I guess its not secret any more

I don't make a secret of it. If the work i am doing is not caring for the tree I might spike up if it will be faster. We do a lot of line of sight work (cant call that rapacity "vista pruning", or pruning in any sense) for people who want to preserve their multimillion dollar views. Lop, top, strip and gut. Sometimes we can talk them into being a bit more conservative, but I think it is a bit better then the clear-cuts that they want done. Definitely not tree care.

I can understand gaffing up ROW trees in wild areas, I object to people who damage a clients property telling them it is no big thing.

 

[tree md]

I frequently work with only one tie in point when rope climbing and not cutting near my rope. Always twice when working a spar down though.

Same here. I use my handsaw a lot and don't do it then either. I always tie my split tail on my climbing rope before I ascend and use it as a secondary TIP or lanyard when needed. Doesn't take but a second to clip in twice and will save your ass if the unexpected happens. If I remember correctly, Jeff Jepson wrote The Tree Climber's Companion while he was recovering from a fall he took when he cut himself out of a tree by severing his only TIP.

 

[Lawnmowerboy48]

TITS- Tie in twice stupid

 

[Lawnmowerboy48]

That dont scare me I;m carefull on trees and a excellent pruner from doign landscape maintaince when i was younger..I also know how to use a throwline and drt, ect...but when it's coming down..i'd never go up without em...whadyya gonna do make a false crotch with two footloops ? plus i stay busy with other arborist side work and my own jobs where i dont need arborist cert...my education on trees comes from my homie i work with that rigged 15 of the twenty tallest trees in the world...he doesnt use spikes on trees often...but he often has tricky times on jobs where the trees comign down anyway....He's got a Masters from Humboldt State and rigged trees for steve sillet( see nat, geo Redwoods edition) . Theres no arguement for spikes ...dont use em except removals...and redwoods but that just a novelty for me...i actually loathe small pruning jobs on nice ortamental hardwoods ,,with no spike..!!! I love getting to a tie in and gettign off the spikes so i aint no lineman....it does take balls to spike over a 100' on a spar with only a flipline and spikes though....and go back down....no ropes...try it some time if you get a chance...But dont use a regular rope with a chainsaw....

So you were able to find 15 of the tallest trees in the world? Haha good one.

 

[lostcoastland]

ya there just right up the road in the tall tree's grove@ Redwood National Park...i think the tallest so far measured is 378 feet. They measure straight down with lasers and GPS....they take girth measurements every 4 ft. or so and every branch they measure the diameter against the collar and out every 4 ft...take a girth and length, if a branch splits off they record it followign suite to the end of each branch or shoot lasers out ....they map the whole tree on computers so they have a excact model of each tree, then go back to that tree every year to measure growth, swelling, sap movement and core samples.... Check it out @ www.ngm.com/redwoods