Done with bad fuel !

[OM617YOTA]

I've run a couple tanks of E0 in several vehicles, and have yet to notice a difference, other than my wallet.

The girlfriend's spare car gets E0, just because it's the spare car, and that tank of fuel may be it gets all year.

 

[lone wolf]

I've run a couple tanks of E0 in several vehicles, and have yet to notice a difference, other than my wallet.

The girlfriend's spare car gets E0, just because it's the spare car, and that tank of fuel may be it gets all year.

Mileage may vary.

 

[Bill G]

Mileage may vary.

Well according to the "experts" his fuel mileage will increase.............

 

[JRM]

So then how in your words is ethanol related to the devil?

I'm not understanding your connection about my ethanol statement and the fact I don't use ethanol.
I don't use it because I have seen the carnage it has caused in small engine fuel systems. Not my fuel systems, ones I have personally
fixed. I can cite countless problems of family and friends that I have had to correct over the years that didn't pop up until ethanol became prevalent. People with the same habits for decades that never had problems, until they did. This is the most recent, a Poolan that belongs to a friend. He used it once - literally one time before getting sick. It sat for 10-12 months by his account while he was in and out of the hospital. He's now feeling better, went to grab his saw to trim a few branches and it wouldn't even start. I pulled the carb apart. It was full of white residue. I ended up buying a new carb for it as no matter how many times I disassembled it and cleaned it I could not get it to make power on the top end. New carb and it cuts as good as.....an Electrolux can be expected to cut.



Of course the morale of the story is don't leave fuel sitting in a carb for so long. I don't, and I try to emphasize this to everyone that brings their crap to me because as much as they all seem to think I enjoy fixing stuff for free I got my own junk to keep up with
People like my buddy Kieth that doesn't run a saw but a few times a year I tell them do yourself a favor and buy canned fuel. It's cheaper in the long run compared to this.

 

[JRM]

I've run a couple tanks of E0 in several vehicles, and have yet to notice a difference, other than my wallet.

The girlfriend's spare car gets E0, just because it's the spare car, and that tank of fuel may be it gets all year.

I've not seen a difference either. In the case of the Dakota, it's original down to the fuel lines, which are not rated for ethanol. Plus it sits for months at a time in the winter.

 

[Bill G]

I'm not understanding your connection about my ethanol statement and the fact I don't use ethanol.
I don't use it because I have seen the carnage it has caused in small engine fuel systems. Not my fuel systems, ones I have personally

My point is that ethnaol is not the devil that you referenced. The fuel issues are caused by folks leaving fuel sit unused. Yes ethanol has a shorter shelf life but so does steak over beef jerky. Would you leave steak sitting on the dash of your truck? Probably not. What about jerky? still not great but edible. They are both beef but are in different forms. Ethanol is no devil you just have to use it in a different way. Just like soy diesel. The simple fact is like it or not ethanol is a renewable fuel that puts American workers to work paying American taxes. We need to adapt to the quirks it has and embrace it. That is if we still want to speak English and read the bible of our choice.

 

[JRM]

Your comparisons are irrelevant, once again. If your content buying a product that is inferior knock yourself out. The only reason ethanol exists is because the govt has made it profitable through subsidies and taxes has nothing to do with putting Americans to work. We could do that by drilling, too. And be a lot cheaper. You can drill oil without corn but you can't plant corn without oil, from the field to refinery oil powers ethanol production every step of the way. Talk about stoopid.

But by all means, keep moving the goal posts to support your position. HansFranz was right in his observation above.

 

[Bill G]

Is oil a renewable resource?

In any event I got killing to do and it sure is not babies. I shall return for the next poo parade

 

[JRM]

Is oil a renewable resource?

Nope. Which makes it even stoopider that we waste so much of it to make a product that performs worse than it.

 

[puzlrock]

All that being said, I don't live vicariously as some I guess.

In an emergency situation you will not find me with old fuel, that may or may not run my equipment.

I treat the diesel and gas as required to keep it fresh and flowing through the fuel lines, carbs and pumps properly.

All things considered I think any reasonable person would agree that time is not on the side of octane. Hot, cold and moisture are the killers of fuel.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Bill G]

Nope. Which makes it even stoopider that we waste so much of it to make a product that performs worse than it.

Interesting thought. When you have a non-renewable resource you feel it is stupid to use a gallon of it it produce a 5 gallons of a renewable one. I am not sure on the 1 to 5 but I bet I am close. You think that is stupid to multiply a non-renewable resource but your solution is to carry on as usual burning up a no-renewable resource when it can be used to multiply the supply of a renewable one. Cannot say that makes sense to me or most others but to you it does so great for you.

On a side note you wish Kasich was still leading your state? He was the guy I supported in 2016.

 

[Bill G]

All things considered I think any reasonable person would agree that time is not on the side of octane. Hot, cold and moisture are the killers of fuel.

Just my 2 cents.

Of course so but some want to blame the fuel for their incompetence in maintenance. It is like the guy smoking 2 packs a day whining about lung cancer. Better yet the dumb lady burning her crotch with hot coffee. It is easier the blame others and whine then address ones own faults

 

[Smitty Smithsonite]

People used to leave fuel in cans laying around WITHOUT LIDS when I was a kid, dump it in equipment that sat 11 months a year, and it would start in 3 pulls TOPS!

Try that with ANY ethanol-diluted gasoline.

 

[Smitty Smithsonite]

I've run a couple tanks of E0 in several vehicles, and have yet to notice a difference, other than my wallet.

The girlfriend's spare car gets E0, just because it's the spare car, and that tank of fuel may be it gets all year.

I have a Flex Fuel '07 Silverado 1500 with a 5.3. Whenever I fuel up with E0, I gain a minimum of 2 MPG, every time, city or highway (More on longer highway trips).

 

[Bill G]

People used to leave fuel in cans laying around WITHOUT LIDS when I was a kid, dump it in equipment that sat 11 months a year, and it would start in 3 pulls TOPS!

Try that with ANY ethanol-diluted gasoline.

I am sure they did but that is in the past and we must operate in today's world. We may not like it but whining about it while being to lazy to deal with it get a guy no where. You are in the fine state of Massachusetts the majority of the folks voting in past elections put the dipstickss in office that enacted the laws that you are whining about. Do something about it...you are hurting for certain... so get the medicine.

 

[Bill G]

People used to leave fuel in cans laying around WITHOUT LIDS when I was a kid, dump it in equipment that sat 11 months a year, and it would start in 3 pulls TOPS!

Try that with ANY ethanol-diluted gasoline.

I will accept that challenge

 

[HansFranz]

I'd be curious how many people have actually driven to an airport for the purpose of buying gasoline

I tried here at the local airport (actually, I called them on the phone and asked), but they wouldn't sell me any unless I could provide a November tail number from an airplane that it was supposedly for...

(I later wondered whether I could just bring binoculars and get a tail number off one of the planes...)

 

[JRM]

I have a Flex Fuel '07 Silverado 1500 with a 5.3. Whenever I fuel up with E0, I gain a minimum of 2 MPG, every time, city or highway (More on longer highway trips).

Those are the engines that can run E85? Have you ever tried running it? All reports I've seen are not favorable. I've never owned a vehicle that is rated to run it.
Believe it or not, I've not seen one pump in North East Ohio that sells E85. I'm sure they are out there and I just haven't seen them but they aren't in my travels anywhere, and I live in a Ag heavy county.

 

[Bill G]

I tried here at the local airport (actually, I called them on the phone and asked), but they wouldn't sell me any unless I could provide a November tail number from an airplane that it was supposedly for...

(I later wondered whether I could just bring binoculars and get a tail number off one of the planes...)

Around here we have many fine folks with planes that you could use tail numbers from. We had two neigbors with private airfields. Saturday another was out playing in his helicopter. Call a crop dusting company and use their tail numbers. There are solutions when you work at it.

The easiest thing to do is to just run Turbo Blue, Cam 2 , or a similar fuel. There are no taxes and no questions

 

[North by Northwest]

Yeah I hear that. I normally run any float-bowl carburetor dry when I'm done using it, especially my '74 RD350. Can't reach the carb drains on that unless you loosen the clamps and twist the carbs in the manifold sideways. A huge PITA to do every single ride. I've found just shutting the fuel off at a predetermined spot from my house, then riding the last 1,000 feet on full choke works well.

As far as diaphragm carbs, I've found leaving them full of fuel results in far less issues. Don't really understand why that is. Maybe since the crap in the gas holds the diaphragm open allowing internal leakage. Not really sure. Whether it's a chainsaw, weedwhacker, leaf blower, or the giant diaphragm carb (Walbro WB-37C) on my paramotor, they will ALL not start the following year if left 100% dry after running E10.

The paramotor sat all fall and winter (After I broke my hand) with E0 & Saber, and fired right up 6 months later. A little extended crank time, but not too bad. The saw sits a year at a time or longer, and always fires up relatively quick on E0. It used to take way too many pulls on E10, usually requiring a sniff of acetone to light off.View attachment 1008683View attachment 1008684

Diaphragm carbs are prone to drying out of the membrane . Our old Pioneers were run dry and the diaphragms removed & stored in a jar of fresh fuel mix during the off season . Today's carb components most likely are more durable .