Double tie in point?

[biker]

Just wondering what some of you guy's and gal's use when you need to use a second tie in point? Tie the end of your rope directly to your saddle, and tie the knot of your choice, or perhaps carry a second split tail for when the need arrises?
I do a little of both, I'll just use the tail of my rope and tie in the old fashioned way if I only need a short time secondary crotch. Or If I know I'll be double crothcing a lot, say trimming an Elm or any variety of really wide spreading tree's I'll carry a second split tail.
One thing I don't carry on my secondary tail is a micro pulley and boy do I miss it. One small item I should modify.

Tom

 

[John Stewart]

Hey Biker
I don't use a second tie in point to often!
Usually it is in the spur of the moment so I use my tail and go back to my original tie in system which is a Blake with no split tail set up.
Later
John

 

[MasterBlaster]

I use a 2nd tie-in a lot, especially on trims. I just use my tail.

 

[BigJohn]

I just use my one end. If I need a second tie in I just pull my eye and CS out and reset it wear I am. This is the advantage of teh split tail use it.Then maybe I move to a third and then a fourth then maybe back to my original or maybe I'm feeling good that day and never move it at all. Idon't like haveing two lines attatched to me. Its hard enough to go anywhere with one line and 4 times as hard to go anywhere with two ropes tied to you. I guess if you don't want to go anywhere then sure just tie yourself up. If want to get some thing done hang a life line and go. Your a climber not a swinger or trapeeze artist. Stop the insanity and stop useing this technique. Throw away the crutches. Get up and walk. Stand on your own two feet. Maybe buy a boat and get your sea legs.

 

[OutOnaLimb]

I carry an extra micro pulley and tress cord as well as a throw ball and about 30 ft of throw line in an old army M-16 ammo pouch on the back of my saddle. The short piece of throw line comes in real handy for settin that line. I have found that using a pole saw to set the line kinda sucks, or some times I will use a monkeys fist to set the second line. I like to double crotch a lot when Im walkin wayyyyyyy out on limbs and it gives me a lot more stability.

Kenn:Monkey:

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Sea Legs??

I use a 2nd tie-in a lot. Use tail if only brief, 2nd rope often. It saves time and work. Bigjohn maybe trees in PA ar every different, or else you are. Why not gain an advantage?

 

[biker]

double tie in point

Yea, I'm a new poster but not a new climber. I was just trying to get some friendly opinions, and maybe get some interest in a new subject. I get from two members ATTITUDE and critisisim (sp)
Squirrel and John I guess if you've never tied in twice you must just climb little baby tree's. Effiency and ease is the name of my game. By the way I never use a pole saw in a tree. I defy anyone to choose a better tie in point then myself...
OOps now I have an attitude...

Tom

 

[John Stewart]

So Biker was I attitude or critisim?
Also why do you think I must climb small trees?
Maybe I'm just comfortable at heights or maybe I"M nut's?
You tell me seeing your so good at judging!
Let me know!

Later
John

 

[John Stewart]

Maybe I broke the cardinal rule again!
Hey Biker did you mean BIG JOHN?
I didn't read all the posts before replying
None the less let me know!
Later
John

 

[biker]

second tie in point

Hey John,
I must appoligise (again poor spelling) my response was actually for big john. He's the one who was giving me grief. I thank you for your first response. That's what I was looking for. how you do it, when you do it. In future post's I will respond to the exact name that appears in the post. O.K.

Tom

 

[MasterBlaster]

Double tie-ins have their place, but beginners sometimes have a tendency towards relying on them too much. You need to know when to use it.

Ya'll be cool, eh?

 

[OutOnaLimb]

I gotta disagree with ya on this one Brian. I definataly like to double crotch when Im walkin way out from the main trunk of the three. I like the extra stability it offers me. Today I had to do two pretty precarious limb walks on a big Ash and another on a big maple. I didnt double crotch though, you would have been proud of me. Who knows, when I get to be your age here in another 20 years I may be as good as you.

Kenn:Monkey:

 

[rahtreelimbs]

Most of what BigJohn does is in the big trees!!!

 

[NeTree]

I like the extra stability from having the seond TIP. Since my ear surgeries, my balance is skewed, and it helps me to maintain my sense of position.

 

[okietreedude1]

knowing the double tie in tech is IMO important. Not that i use it a lot, but I know it so when the intant arises, im ready.

for those tall single trunk trees, a double tie is not generally necessary, however, get into a large American elm, silvermaple, bur oak....it may not be Necessary, but sometimes handy.

I doubled a set this past winter doing line clearance. The groundies were awed that I went up one tree and came down another, 4 trees and 100 feet later.

 

[Nathan Wreyford]

A 2nd TIP is a good method to have in the tool box. It can add greater limbwalking capability at times by better distibuting your weight. It can be more than just a balancing crutch.

I would agree with BJ if what he meant was the most important part of advanced climbing and rigging techniques is not knowing how to use them but when to use them.:angel:

The European champ, Mark Bridge did a demonstration on using double tie in with 2 CS and 2 vt with the middle running through a pulley in the middle. It allowed more access and safer access. You really need a swivel for things like that or you get biners jammed up quicker than you can say "crossloaded carabiner"

 

[rumination]

Nathan,

what's a CS?



this is one of those questions I'm gonna feel stupid for asking, isn't it?

 

[Nathan Wreyford]

I was just trying to stick with BJs lingo - Cambium Saver.

I would say FC

Gotta get to work.....

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Just because you use a 2nd rope does not mean you limit your mobility. I'll work a section with one rope , set another, and then slide the first one down a ways. Then work another section with the other rope, then swing over to where I left the end of the first rope hanging.

Back and forth. Rocky i agree that many folks tie in too low, but I always go for the tippy top.

More than two can be justified. I had a sub last year tell me he needed to set five or SIX to do a good job on this tree. I finally concluded that he just wanted to milk the clock and practice flinging.

 

[MasterBlaster]

In most cases the higher you tie-in, the better it is.

Like Guy said, the tippy top!