Echo 590 lean adjust?
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Hey corey006, Don't let some of these guys scare you off. You've been around here long enough to have seen stuff like this before I'm sure. I don't come here like I used to due to health reasons I just can't do what I used to do but I have my son around so I come here to see what's going on every so often to see what everyone is running and to see what's the latest and greatest. I helped him pick out 2 new Echo's last year when local dealer was running 20% off.
15 years ago I would never swayed anyone towards an Echo, still remember the days my late Dad had one probably 30 years ago, hardest to crank POS you ever seen, it was old, it was before electronic ignition that I remember about the saw itself. I also remember him telling a guy this about an Echo weedeater, "I'm gonna to wrap it around your GD head if you don't fix this POS", at the Echo dealer when I was younger. That was his exact words too, you didn't mess with Dad, he served in WWII in Europe and he didn't take $hit from nobody. Luckily Echo has completely changed since those days.
Echo is running 20% off at dealers across the country you just have to go to their website and see there's one nearby. I'd rather see someone buy from a local person than a Big Box store.
http://www.echo-usa.com/Promotions/One-Day-Sale
15 years ago I would never swayed anyone towards an Echo, still remember the days my late Dad had one probably 30 years ago, hardest to crank POS you ever seen, it was old, it was before electronic ignition that I remember about the saw itself. I also remember him telling a guy this about an Echo weedeater, "I'm gonna to wrap it around your GD head if you don't fix this POS", at the Echo dealer when I was younger. That was his exact words too, you didn't mess with Dad, he served in WWII in Europe and he didn't take $hit from nobody. Luckily Echo has completely changed since those days.
Echo is running 20% off at dealers across the country you just have to go to their website and see there's one nearby. I'd rather see someone buy from a local person than a Big Box store.
http://www.echo-usa.com/Promotions/One-Day-Sale
if you live close to a tractor supply, they sell a 20" d176 bar with a good professional type chain for $40. i've bought two, one for a redmax antother for an echo and they've worked very well. the chain is straight up non-low kickback 3/8" .050 and has lasted well. here's a link:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/countyline-20-in-bar-chain-combo-l70-d70?cm_vc=-10005
tpence2177
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Very good to know. I go by one several times a week. May stop in soon to get one
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I mentioned earlier I run a 590 as my main fire wood saw. My dealer told me to go 590 over the 290/291. Not because its the best 60cc saw but in his opinion if I wasn't getting a 362 or other full retard pro saw it was the best option. The saw is great for people like me that need more saw then the box store garbage but can't afford or aren't willing to pay $700+ for a saw that doesn't perform $300 plus dollars better then the 590
My dealer told me to go 590 over the 290/291
At least you have a good honest dealer. Steve
At least you have a good honest dealer. Steve
I doubt there is much comparison, the husky 5 series are pretty special saws. just out of curiosity, does the 590 timberwolf have a rim sprocket or spur? to me that's an important distinction.
Rockjock
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The ones I have worked on have a spur sprocket but I did have a customer ask me if a rim sprocket was possible. Research was done and a rim set up from a 600p would work.
my ipl's show the rim sprocket on the 620p, 600p and 590p, a saw i've never seen. anyway it usually costs $50 to $60 to upgrade. so the 590 isn't as cheap as it appears. it does look like the oil pump drive is an improvement over the 680, geared to the clutch drum instead of the crank and seems to lack the press-fit worm drive gear. too bad you can't get it in a 70cc size.
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The 600p rim setup fits. Only reason to pull the spur setup off is if you've worn it out. The spur is on there to keep the price down.
Just to clarify, all of them are inboard clutch and only oil when the chain is turning. The 600 and 620's have a removable sprocket on the clutch held on with an E-clip, the 590 does not.
What is not really know is why all three saws use a different coil, and which ones are limited, and at what rpm they are limited at? The 620 has been dubbed as using an unlimited coil, my 600P may be limited but it is at really high rpms and no where near the power range of the saw in use. In other words I have mine leaned up where it barely 4-strokes when the load is removed in the cut, and I've never noticed it bouncing off the rev-limiter when doing this.
The CS-590's coil is set pretty high as well, so upgrading to a 620 unlimited coil would be pretty much a waste of time funds, at least with the stock P/C.....IMHO.....Cliff
What is not really know is why all three saws use a different coil, and which ones are limited, and at what rpm they are limited at? The 620 has been dubbed as using an unlimited coil, my 600P may be limited but it is at really high rpms and no where near the power range of the saw in use. In other words I have mine leaned up where it barely 4-strokes when the load is removed in the cut, and I've never noticed it bouncing off the rev-limiter when doing this.
The CS-590's coil is set pretty high as well, so upgrading to a 620 unlimited coil would be pretty much a waste of time funds, at least with the stock P/C.....IMHO.....Cliff
although limited coils make a saw more difficult to tune, i think they are generally a good idea. saws didn't used to have them, but back then they seldom were able to turn more than 11k. modern saws could probably exceed 14k without limiters. manufacturers probably worry about idiots piss revving their guaranteed saws until something breaks and judging from some of the things i've read on this site i think they're right. i think the highest max power or torque rmp i've seen is around 9k. everything above that is just to sound cool.
Saw arrived today..
First impression....very simple build quality, seems robust, VERY easy to work on.
Fit and finish not in same league as 562 XP but appears to be a lot of saw for the money.
Deleted muffler deflector. Everything stayed together.
Had a little grief getting H limiter out but got both out and smoothed of tabs with dremel and all back together.
Going to let er sit overnight to let loctite set up on exhaust bolts.
Going to mix up 40:1 tommow with fresh premium non-ethanol gas and add a small amount of oil to tank for first run.
I use XP oil.
So starting point for H would be around 5/8 turn out from bottom(CCW)...?
Starting point for L would be around 1/2 turn out from bottom.(CCW)?
Thanx for all the help...now I have to go find a big tree to cut for tuning....
First impression....very simple build quality, seems robust, VERY easy to work on.
Fit and finish not in same league as 562 XP but appears to be a lot of saw for the money.
Deleted muffler deflector. Everything stayed together.
Had a little grief getting H limiter out but got both out and smoothed of tabs with dremel and all back together.
Going to let er sit overnight to let loctite set up on exhaust bolts.
Going to mix up 40:1 tommow with fresh premium non-ethanol gas and add a small amount of oil to tank for first run.
I use XP oil.
So starting point for H would be around 5/8 turn out from bottom(CCW)...?
Starting point for L would be around 1/2 turn out from bottom.(CCW)?
Thanx for all the help...now I have to go find a big tree to cut for tuning....
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Yes, counterclockwise from lightly seated.
I leave the "L" screw at the stock setting and back out the "H" screw about 3/4 turns from lightly seated for initial starting. After the engine is warmed up set the "L" screw for best idle quality just a tad rich from the lean tip-in point. Make a cut and see if it cleans up in the cut but still four strokes when the load is removed. You may have to lean it up slightly but er a tad rich for the first few tanks of fuel. After things are well seated go back to the carb again and repeat the adjustments and lean it up in the cut with the "H" screw for best power but still four strokes slightly when the load is removed. The limited coil is set high enough on the 590 that it isn't annoying and making carb adjustments more difficult.
I've had mine in service now for quite a while and it's been flawless. I did lean it up slightly on the "H" screw recently now that the hot/humid weather has started to return.......Cliff
I've had mine in service now for quite a while and it's been flawless. I did lean it up slightly on the "H" screw recently now that the hot/humid weather has started to return.......Cliff
I had a little trouble at first, saw would NOT idle..... not sure why, had some air in system maybe? Or saw just needed to be run in for a bit.
Adjusted low to point of stall...backed out.
Adjusted throttle...
I think I have H at about 5/8.
Saw cut beautifully.
Had to tweak idle back to stop chain from advancing.
Starts first pull every time after warmed up.
I got it for $100 less than what my local dealer wanted for a 455 Rancher....
I think so far.....it is a "keeper"!!!
Adjusted low to point of stall...backed out.
Adjusted throttle...
I think I have H at about 5/8.
Saw cut beautifully.
Had to tweak idle back to stop chain from advancing.
Starts first pull every time after warmed up.
I got it for $100 less than what my local dealer wanted for a 455 Rancher....
I think so far.....it is a "keeper"!!!
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I cut a couple cords last Sunday with inlaws swapping between a 620P and 262xp. All 5 sawyers preferred the 620, including me. Feels more nimble and lighter but I did not weigh either. What I was really impressed with was limbing with a Husky 350 with a 353 top end.
I put new chain on Cs 590 and on 562Xp.....did a little comparison.
Really no comparison to be made....both saws weigh about the same but the 562 just plain blows the doors off the 590.
I tweaked the H on the 590 and it was better but still not in same league as 562.
Really no comparison to be made....both saws weigh about the same but the 562 just plain blows the doors off the 590.
I tweaked the H on the 590 and it was better but still not in same league as 562.
cedarshark
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That is certainly not the case between my 262xp and my Timberwolf. "Seat of the pants" feel have the two saws pretty close. Your milage may vary.
