Echo CS-3510, the good, bad and ugly!

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Been wanting another small limbing saw for a while to compliment my CS-370. I really like the CS-370, been 100 percent flawless for many years, but not overly impressive for cutting speed and power. I also wanted to get a really light saw. The CS-3510 has been out a couple of years and really not a lot of info or reviews on it, so why not?

We just logged the woods so I have about 135 tops to clean up and many were hard Maple so a LOT of limbing.

So I'll get to the "bad" first. Saw was purchased NIB, and got a very quick muffler mod and modified the "L" and "H" screws for full control. I swapped out the 16" bar for a 12" bar I had on hand which was also new. This all happened a little over a week ago. Saw fired right up and it absolutely REFUSED to put any oil on the bar....NADA....NOTHING.......HUM?

I checked EVERYTHING, tank pick-up, supply hose, elbow to the pump grommet, all good. The worm drive was "flattened" in the center and simply not turning the pump, but the pump turned freely. Not exactly what happened with all that but I ordered a new pump and worm drive instead of messing with the warranty and waiting way too long to get it back.

I hand fitted the parts and SOB the worm gear would spin one revolution then "bind" slightly. Nothing apparently wrong but the binding was bad enough I didn't dare fire it up for testing. I messed with than deal about half an hour then noticed the pump drive gear was not well aligned with the crankshaft. So I engaged the pump with a 3" long 10-32 screw and pulled it up till the alignment was perfect. I had to come up about .050" or so. Didn't seem like much but for sure no more binding.

I finished the assembly and she fired right up and put PLENTY of oil on the bar/chain.

Next I did a few test cuts to get the carb set. Wasn't as easy as most as the Stratto engine didn't like a really slow idle speed or just a tad "rich" on the "L" screw either. I finally found the ideal setting and moved on to making some cuts to set the "H" screw. As delivered both the L and H screws were considerably leaner than I care to run a saw and this was noticed by hesitation and even died out a few times until fully warmed up and even then just wasn't getting enough fuel for instant throttle response, etc.

Anyhow, that's the "ugly" and the "bad", the rest is all "good". I stayed in smaller material for the first tank and had extra oil mix in the fuel, something I do here on new saws. Second tank I really put her to the test and buried the bar and even did some bore cutting with it to fall a tree where I needed about twice as much bar as I had available. Man does this little saw ROCK! Power is WAY better than expected, and it's fast too. I cut up two pretty decent size tops and limbed them out and it just flew thru them. No "stalling" against the clutch when you pushed it hard (forgot to mention earlier that I added a metal spike as it doesn't come with one). Limbs of any size up to at least 10" it just melts right thru them. I bucked up some of the larger limbs and it didn't grumble there either.

Next outing I'll do some timed test cuts against the CS-370 but I can already tell that it's considerably faster and more power in the upper mid-range and top end. The CS-370 lacks top end power but "grunts" pretty good for 36cc. My overall rating for this saw so far is very good. Power to weight is excellent, as is chain speed and power for the cc's. I'll get some more time on it plus some test runs against the CS-370 and add to this thread.........
 

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"What pitch/gauge chain?"

It comes with a 16" bar and 3/8" LP Oregon chain. I'm NOT fond of a 16" bar on any of these smaller saws, 12 or 14" picks up some power and plenty of bar for those little saws......IMHO

I have a nice supply of Oregon 3/8LP chain and bars, most are 14". I grab them up whenever they are on sale or clearance....
 
"First three paragraphs had me thinking you got stung. Glad to see it worked out so well for you."

I wasn't sure why it "smoked" the first worm drive but was really shocked it wasn't working on initial start-up. Echo would have for sure honored the warranty but for $25 I just replaced the main players and put the saw back in service much quicker.

I'm still not exactly sure why the miss-alignment with the oil pump gear to the crankshaft when it's at full depth. However I didn't check it before pulling the first pump out. I also did not take the time to source a service manual for this saw, so not sure if the pump is supposed to be driven to full depth or has a depth spec, or just driven in for best alignment with the crankshaft center line? For those of you that end up working on any of these little saws with that type of pump a long 10-32" machine screw fits well enough to R & R the pumps without much effort.

I'm not even completely certain leaving the pump at full depth wouldn't have been fine, but after working on power equipment for over 45 years I've learned to look for a cause when you have a problem vs just throwing new parts at it and having it happen all over again.......
 
No CAT in the CS-3510 muffler. It has a pretty small exit and a partition in the center with a series of holes in it below center I opened up the exit a bit, but for now left the holes in the partition at the stock size. Might play with that more later but for now I'm going to put it to work and get some time on it.

Durability is what I'm looking for so I want to see how well it holds up when it's getting a lot of hours put on it. I will add here that it starts right up in two pulls cold, one pull when warmed up. Love the spring loaded kill switch as well......
 
I picked up the 3410 about a year ago and have been very happy with it, picked it up for a cheap saw that I planned to abuse, the power from it sure surprised me and it has worked very well, it constantly rides in back of Polaris ranger, through rain,snow, ice, and heat and humidity, there is few things I dont like but far dealbreakers , to me the saw feels cheap like a toy, the choke and kill switch is awkward for me but I have pretty much ran Stihl only since teenager in mid 70"s, a tank of fuel doesnt last very long, and it takes a little effort to get it started if its been sitting couple weeks, only modification is I added a metal spike. I debated between Echo 3410,3510, and Stihl 170,182 saws for me and my use the Echo 3410 has been quite impressive, running side by side with wifes Stihl 170 the stihl is a bit faster cutting on wrist size and smaller the Echo is a bit faster on the larger stuff, I'd really like to see the 3410 and 3510 ran side by side supposedly the 3510 has more power, the dealer I bought from recommended saving a few bucks and going with 3410 the dealer said several guys he sold them to actually thought 3410 had more power ? that may be because they sell the 3410 with 14" bar and 3510 with 16" bar. either way for a small light affordable saw that rides in bed of Polaris I'm very pleased.
 

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