EPA rules. Found this today

[fordf150]

http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/05/epa-wood-stooves/

I dont burn wood for heat so I normally dont keep up with this stuff. May be old news to some or most of you.

The finalized version of EPA’s rule also gives manufacturers more time to make and certify stoves that emit fewer pollutants. Politico’s Morning Energy notes that “[c]ompanies that make small wood-burning forced air furnaces will have to meet first-step emissions limits by 2016, with large furnaces having until 2017.”

“All sizes have to meet second-step limits by 2020,”

 

[Landmark]

This kind of stuff makes my blood pressure go up.

 

[fordf150]

"only costing $45.7 million per year"

 

[hanniedog]

Wonder how much pollution is caused by Epa jackwagons flying and driving to all the hand wringing meetings they have.

 

[Oldman47]

So here are a couple of recent releases from EPA themselves.
http://www2.epa.gov/residential-woo...ary-requirements-woodstoves-and-pellet-stoves
http://www2.epa.gov/residential-woo...y-requirements-wood-fired-forced-air-furnaces
These were published by the EPA on Tuesday.

 

[lone wolf]

Wonder how much pollution is caused by Epa jackwagons flying and driving to all the hand wringing meetings they have.

Too much!

 

[fixit1960]

White spider was right , he thought they might delay implementation on this. Every thing I had heard last fall was the dealers were claiming it would go into effect this late spring or early summer. Now they/we, have to the end of the year to sell/buy and old smoke dragon. EPA is also are going to try and establish some standard to allow actual cordwood to be used for testing in place of dimensional lumber in crib form during the qualification testing. Ought to be interesting.......

 

[fordf150]

Cord wood. Did you catch the part that they don't have a way to test with that yet

 

[Fubar]

yeah they act like a few million woodstoves are responsible for all the pollution and not the zillion other things that produce carbon monoxide and fluorocarbons to boot ....LOL i found the similes...

 

[fixit1960]

Cord wood. Did you catch the part that they don't have a way to test with that yet

Yes, it said that manufacturers could test using this method but the testing procedures would have to be approved by the EPA. In other words they don't know how to design the test but if a manufacturer wants to spend the time and effort they may allow it. Or maybe not...typical of the EPA.

 

[windthrown]

The big reason why I bought an Englander NC30 when I replaced my old stove here, it is WA approved and now EPA III approved. At least for the next 5 years.

 

[singinwoodwackr]

the EPA needs to be shut down and replaced with a new dept...with new personnel...period.

 

[Homelite410]

the EPA needs to be shut down and replaced with a new dept...with new personnel...period.

Yes, The department of common sense!

 

[olyman]

Wonder how much pollution is caused by Epa jackwagons flying and driving to all the hand wringing meetings they have.

most of it,,comes from their pie holes......................

 

[olyman]

the EPA needs to be shut down and replaced with a new dept...with new personnel...period.

with no new personnel............gov is a waste.....

 

[Marshy]

It wouldn't be so bad if all the manufactures just banded together and all pitched in to pay for development of a standardized test. Obviously it would have to be approved by EPA but I've seen other industries do the same thing and it really is a give/take between the regulatory body and the regulated body. At least they would be able have some influence on the standard and also push back on EPA about the levels they want to institute. I personally don't see the harm in trying to make them cleaner and Im sure my neighbor would be happier if I had an EPA stove. I know I will be happier to have once too when I'm outside not breathing the crap that comes out of my current stove. Just my opinion.

 

[Whitespider]

Forced air wood-fired furnaces given an extension... but from the quick read I've done so far, OWB's are friggin' screwed.
I'll read the (344 page) "finalized" version when I get some time...
There's gonna' be some interesting (legislative) fireworks at the state level coming... mark my words.
I also foresee law suits to escalate.

I personally don't see the harm in trying to make them cleaner...

Neither do I... but that ain't what this is about.
C'mon... we're talkin' 344 pages of regulation. If this was as simple as making newly manufactured wood-fired appliances "cleaner" it could be written on a napkin. You can bet-the-farm this is gonna' affect anyone with a firebox in some way, at some point... mark my words.

I sort'a hesitate to say this before reading the "finalized" version, so take it as a preliminary opinion based on my reading of the "proposed" version and "summery" of the "final"...
This ain't just regulation on manufacturing, it's an intrusion into individual lives. It's federal overreach at an unprecedented level. It's federal government usurping power from the states and people... which, by-the-way, is strictly forbidden by the constitution. It is not the job of federal government to protect us from ourselves... in fact, it is strictly forbidden to do so. To put it plainly... it is federal government telling you how and with what you may and may not heat your home, while using massive amounts of your tax dollars to implement the removal of your personal liberty and rendering your personal property worthless through regulation (not legislation). Total madness... which will be cheered by special interest tree-hugger and bleeding-heart groups. Congress should grow a friggin' spine, do the job they're directed to do by the constitution, and bare-butt spank the EPA and the current administration (who controls the EPA)...

I'll post a new thread after I get time to read it...
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[User Name Here]

Forced air wood-fired furnaces given an extension... but from the quick read I've done so far, OWB's are friggin' screwed.
I'll read the (344 page) "finalized" version when I get some time...
There's gonna' be some interesting (legislative) fireworks at the state level coming... mark my words.
I also foresee law suits to escalate.


Neither do I... but that ain't what this is about.
C'mon... we're talkin' 344 pages of regulation. If this was as simple as making newly manufactured wood-fired appliances "cleaner" it could be written on a napkin. You can bet-the-farm this is gonna' affect anyone with a firebox in some way, at some point... mark my words.

I sort'a hesitate to say this before reading the "finalized" version, so take it as a preliminary opinion based on my reading of the "proposed" version and "summery" of the "final"...
This ain't just regulation on manufacturing, it's an intrusion into individual lives. It's federal overreach at an unprecedented level. It's federal government usurping power from the states and people... which, by-the-way, is strictly forbidden by the constitution. It is not the job of federal government to protect us from ourselves... in fact, it is strictly forbidden to do so. To put it plainly... it is federal government telling you how and with what you may and may not heat your home, while using massive amounts of your tax dollars to implement the removal of your personal liberty and rendering your personal property worthless through regulation (not legislation). Total madness... which will be cheered by special interest tree-hugger and bleeding-heart groups. Congress should grow a friggin' spine, do the job they're directed to do by the constitution, and bare-butt spank the EPA and the current administration (who controls the EPA)...

I'll post a new thread after I get time to read it...
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In my opinion you are exactly right, but the bad part is this new EPA regulation is only a very small fraction of what they've done over the last 20+ years. The EPA has its hand in so many different things its hard to comprehend and this is a major part of why we no longer are a producing nation and have moved to more of a consuming nation. It also solves nothing for us to regulate and limit ourselves in the name of "becoming more green" or "global warming/climate change" when all we are doing is driving the production of this country to other countries that have virtually no regulation whatsoever in cleaner production methods and environmental protection. I wholeheartedly believe that protecting the environment is a good thing - we must protect and manage what resources we have. However, regulating ourselves into a state of diminishing returns, and forcing industry to move to other countries where no oversight only makes things worse. Common sense is the key, which obviously is no longer common. An example that I like to use is the EPA regulating automobiles. If you regulate engines to reduce emissions by 20% when in return that reduces fuel economy by 25%, you aren't doing anything for pollution, all this causes is for us to ultimately burn more fuel and produce roughly 5% more emissions.

 

[fixit1960]

I agree with @White Spider and @User Name Here, in fact, I was going to comment about the same as spidey but thought better of it, it was late last night and was typed out from battling with alien donkey in the political forum. I agree that the EPA has severely over extended their reach into our lives and it will continue. As I have said in other posts...it's part of Obama's bigger picture. You can't socialize a nation with a successful capitalist industry thriving. You have to break it and how do you do it? Regulate them out of business.

Some will say this isn't a political forum and keep this talk out of here. I maintain the EPA overreach is political.....someone else breached that boundary when they posted it here . So all of you who haven't been following it, the political side, well if you burn wood maybe you should follow along and learn something before the EPA shows up and shuts off your wood burner..

 

[Stihl working hard]

http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/05/epa-wood-stooves/

I dont burn wood for heat so I normally dont keep up with this stuff. May be old news to some or most of you.

The finalized version of EPA’s rule also gives manufacturers more time to make and certify stoves that emit fewer pollutants. Politico’s Morning Energy notes that “[c]ompanies that make small wood-burning forced air furnaces will have to meet first-step emissions limits by 2016, with large furnaces having until 2017.”

“All sizes have to meet second-step limits by 2020,”

You should send a copy to China