Ethanol-free fuel now prohibited in Canada's gas stations?

[SS396driver]

Well that is simple to me. I have used ethanol fuel in vehicles my entire life. They do not sit long enough to have "stale gas" issues. I used E-85 in vehicles when the price was around 20% less to offset the loss in economy. I have never had a vehicle that had a fuel related issue, it was always something else. As much as I support the use of fossil fuels the fact is it will run out someday. To say "not in my lifetime" is an arrogant statement that I here a lot. We have fought wars and are young men and women have died trying to protect oil supplies. We are caught in the grip of OPEC and they can squeeze us in the grapes anytime they want by cutting production. I will venture a guess one of if not the most complained about issue today is the price of fuel. Anytime we have the ability to lower our dependence on a foreign country we should do it. We have the ability to produce ethanol and employ AMERICAN workers to do it. The production of ethanol will never put American oil workers out of a job because we will still need AMERICAN oil.

Now with that being said I do not use it in small engines or engines that will sit unused. We have plenty of stations that sell ethanol free fuel.

The right situation is when a vehicle will use the fuel in a timely manner and the why is I support American agriculture and the American worker.

Newer vehicles e10 will last a long time even when not in use . The fuel system isn’t vented to the atmosphere. So no water vapor can condensate in the tank or be absorbed by the fuel . Put E10 in an older vehicle and you will have problems just being stored over the winter months . All my FI vehicles get E10 my old cars and power equipment get 91 E free high test . It was 3.79 a gallon yesterday at Stewart’s shop .

 

[Bill G]

Newer vehicles e10 will last a long time even when not in use . The fuel system isn’t vented to the atmosphere. So no water vapor can condensate in the tank or be absorbed by the fuel . Put E10 in an older vehicle and you will have problems just being stored over the winter months . All my FI vehicles get E10 my old cars and power equipment get 91 E free high test . It was 3.79 a gallon yesterday at Stewart’s shop .

In general vehicles here never sat long enough to have issues. I used to drive over 80 miles a day to work M-F and on Saturday it was not uncommon to drive 200 or more miles chasing equipment. For awhile I drove one that had a leak where the filler neck enters the tank so about 10 gallons was all you put in it. With that being said I have had vehicles that did get parked for various reasons. When needed they all started but ohhh yeah that fuel was foul smelling. One of the funniest was an Ford Escort GT. It had a bad water pump and was spewing coolant. It was not worth messing with as I only gave $125 for it. I parked it in the lower yard where it sat for probably 5 years. I was by a tire shop in a town south of me one day and saw these guys working on an Escort for the 4cyl race class at the track. I stopped asked if they wanted another. They said they would come up the next day. Before they got here I figured I would at least try starting it. The son of a gun fired right up but she smelled foul. They drove it on their trailer and paid me $200

 

[OM617YOTA]

Well that is simple to me. I have used ethanol fuel in vehicles my entire life. They do not sit long enough to have "stale gas" issues. I used E-85 in vehicles when the price was around 20% less to offset the loss in economy. I have never had a vehicle that had a fuel related issue, it was always something else. As much as I support the use of fossil fuels the fact is it will run out someday. To say "not in my lifetime" is an arrogant statement that I here a lot. We have fought wars and are young men and women have died trying to protect oil supplies. We are caught in the grip of OPEC and they can squeeze us in the grapes anytime they want by cutting production. I will venture a guess one of if not the most complained about issue today is the price of fuel. Anytime we have the ability to lower our dependence on a foreign country we should do it. We have the ability to produce ethanol and employ AMERICAN workers to do it. The production of ethanol will never put American oil workers out of a job because we will still need AMERICAN oil.

Now with that being said I do not use it in small engines or engines that will sit unused. We have plenty of stations that sell ethanol free fuel.

The right situation is when a vehicle will use the fuel in a timely manner and the why is I support American agriculture and the American worker.

I fully agree with your philosophy on domestic fuel supply security.

That said, we burn more fossil fuels making the ethanol than the ethanol offsets.

Net loss, both on fuel security and environmental grounds.

 

[Bill G]

I fully agree with your philosophy on domestic fuel supply security.

That said, we burn more fossil fuels making the ethanol than the ethanol offsets.

Net loss, both on fuel security and environmental grounds.

Well I politely do not agree that we burn more fuel producing the ethanol fuel. It is my belief that is propaganda put out by oil companies. They are scared it will hurt them but in fact it will not. As for environmental concerns the more plants we have growing the more CO2 can be taken from the environment. Folks are stuck thinking agriculture is like what it was 50 years ago and it simple is not, not at all.

 

[lone wolf]

I fully support Ethanol in the right situation but not all situations are right. Many feet up in the air with an engine that has sat is not the right situation at all. As much as I support ethanol common sense tells you it is not applicable for everything.

I HATE that crap! Nothing but trouble! Is it OK to hate here @grizz55chev

 

[SS396driver]

My concern is the amount of water used . Production takes approximately 3 gallons of water for every one gallon of ethanol. And how many gallons does it take to irrigate ?

 

[Bill G]

I HATE that crap! Nothing but trouble! Is it OK to hate here @grizz55chev

I have not had trouble with it. I have had trouble with bio-diesel but that can be avoided also. It is pretty scary though when you are bring a combine up the big bluff hill in the middle of the night and the fuel filters clog with algae. Once that engine dies you have zero anything...no steering, no brakes

 

[lone wolf]

I have not had trouble with it. I have had trouble with bio-diesel but that can be avoided also. It is pretty scary though when you are bring a combine up the big bluff hill in the middle of the night and the fuel filters clog with algae. Once that engine dies you have zero anything...no steering, no brakes

Do you have about 30 small engines and old trucks sitting around with E gas in them right now that you dont use a lot in the winter? It gets to be a full time job keeping stuff working with that crap gas. Dong use it if you can help it.

 

[Bill G]

My concern is the amount of water used . Production takes approximately 3 gallons of water for every one gallon of ethanol. And how many gallons does it take to irrigate ?

Well we had had the irrigation debate in other threads and I realize that irrigation is an issue in certain areas but here it is a huge cost benefit to those who do not irrigate as it saves us tax dollars. Every gallon they use is one less gallon we have to pump back into the river. Also the vast majority of corn is not irrigated. Here you cannot irrigate unless you are in a low are with a high water table. If you are then most (not all) of the time you are in an are that has excess subsurface water that has to be pumped back to the river. The reason you irrigate is because the soil is very course and will not hold water so you have to keep applying it.

As for the amount of water used in ethanol production what is being done with the water? Where is it going? Is it clean?

 

[Bill G]

Do you have about 30 small engines and old trucks sitting around with E gas in them right now that you dont use a lot in the winter? It gets to be a full time job keeping stuff working with that crap gas. Dong use it if you can help it.

I fully support Ethanol in the right situation but not all situations are right. Many feet up in the air with an engine that has sat is not the right situation at all. As much as I support ethanol common sense tells you it is not applicable for everything.

.....................Now with that being said I do not use it in small engines or engines that will sit unused. We have plenty of stations that sell ethanol free fuel.

The right situation is when a vehicle will use the fuel in a timely manner and the why is I support American agriculture and the American worker.

I stand by what I said.

 

[lone wolf]

I stand by what I said.

See the problem is there are no E free stations here.

 

[MudgeHollowBeaver]

We have all ethanol free gas here where I live. Nobody has e fuel.

Where in Canada is that? Ethanol seems to be federally mandated.

 

[Bill G]

See the problem is there are no E free stations here.

Yes and that stinks to high heavens! I am a farmer and corn producer. I 100% support ethanol but it has it's place and it's place is not in an engine that will sit for an extended time. Bio-diesel does not belong in engines that will sit either. I cannot understand states that do not allow the sale of non-ethanol fuels. That is a bunch of political BS and I will doubt you will find a farmer that supports that. We support ethanol but still are bright enough to know when to use it. You do not put it in your Farmall M that you take on the Iowa Tractor-cade. You do not put it in your mower that will sit all winter. I know a family that put up the first 1 million dollars to get the ball rolling years ago on a ethanol plant. I bet they do not even use it in small engines. Actually knowing them I doubt with the exception of a trimmer they even have a gas engine on the place.

 

[OM617YOTA]

I am a farmer and corn producer.

Ah, there it is.

 

[Bill G]

Ah, there it is.

Do you have a point?

 

[Bill G]

I guess you do not have a point and all you have is Ha ha's

 

[OM617YOTA]

You're biased. You gain from the ethanol mandates. No wonder you support it.

 

[Bill G]

You're biased. You gain from the ethanol mandates. No wonder you support it.

Have you ever seen me support a mandate of any type?
How would I gain from ethanol mandates even if I did support them?
What is your pump price of
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[HansFranz]

Distill it like the moonshiners do, then store it in a charcoal barrel. You'll get pretty close.
Otherwise, you might wish to try for getting it to taste like vodka.

Hmmm...vodka for $3.50 per gallon (or let's say $1.75 if ya cut it to 100 proof)? Now ya got the wheels turnin

Mix it with some

and ya got NITRO!

Is KornGas® "denatured"? Walker?

 

[lone wolf]

I just spent the latter part of the day cleaning a carb and gas tank my my Honda Rancher and am thinking it was E gas related. Carb had some corrosion in the float bowl.