Lumberjack
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Not really. Just bein thural (spelling incorrect, word means complete, fully)
Carl
Carl
fallen a tree where u want it..
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So the line isn't actually tied at the top, but rather above the back cut? If I got that right, how high from the back cut? Why wouldn't you use this in an oak? In an oak, would you use the second method you mentioned?
Thanks,
Doug
Thanks,
Doug
MasterBlaster
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Thural?
Dude, keep a dictionary by yur mouse, eh?
The words you type go into the archives of AS.
Hey Doug01, you tie the rope anywhere it is conveniant for you, say chest high. Just as long as it is out of the way when you make your backcut.
Dude, keep a dictionary by yur mouse, eh?
The words you type go into the archives of AS.
Hey Doug01, you tie the rope anywhere it is conveniant for you, say chest high. Just as long as it is out of the way when you make your backcut.
Lumberjack
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Mabye I was confusing. In the first method, the rope runs over a branch(s) in the top, then comes down and is tied where you can reach it. When you pull, it pulls at the top, not where you tied it.
On a live oak it doesn't have a spar, so you would have to find a good strong leader (limb) to run the rope through, making the rope placement slightly more important, but you could use the second method.
Let me know, and I will make some pics in paint.
Carl
On a live oak it doesn't have a spar, so you would have to find a good strong leader (limb) to run the rope through, making the rope placement slightly more important, but you could use the second method.
Let me know, and I will make some pics in paint.
Carl
Lumberjack
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Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Thural?
Dude, keep a dictionary by yur mouse, eh?
The words you type go into the archives of AS.
I can always edit, but I can't get to the dictionary your books are in the way. Seriously, I hope to get your books out tommorrow with a piece of black widow and your money.
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MasterBlaster
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Thats where the whole arguement comes into play. I'm from the school that believes there is more overall leverage applied if the rope runs through the top, down the back, and tied at the base.
It DOESN'T just pull at the top. The leverage of the pulling power is spread/distributed down the length of the trunk.
This is especially important when rigging a hazard tree.
There are those who would disagree with me about this.
Lumberjack
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Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Thats where the whole arguement comes into play. I'm from the school that believes there is more overall leverage applied if the rope runs through the top, down the back, and tied at the base.
It DOESN'T just pull at the top. The leverage of the pulling power is spread/distributed down the length of the trunk.
This is especially important when rigging a hazard tree.
There are those who would disagree with me about this.
I guess I disagree. It makes a vectored force at the top. One vector pushes down, and the other pulls horizonaly. The point where the rope bends over the limbs is where your pull is going, along with some tensioning of the rope running down the tree, but the leverage is placed at the top.
Carl
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Lumberjack
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Example: Run a rope over your shoulder and tie it at your ankle. Hold yourself stiff, and have someone pull the rope. Where does it pull? There is some compression between the shoulder and ankle, but most of the force is pulling you over at your shoulder.
Carl
Carl
MasterBlaster
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Lumberjack
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But did you understand my analagy/ example? Sssssiir?
Carl
Carl
MasterBlaster
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Well... uh... you're freaking knuts. But I mean that in a good way.
Uh, vector?
I gar-on-tea you the energy of the 'horizontal' pull adds extra strength to the overall pull.
But there are those who disagree with me.
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This is hands down the worst thread yet on Arboristsite!
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I'm proud to be part of it.
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ryan i agree ,,and nothin i would like better than to spend half day with john ..
mabe 2 times .. little old to keep up withim all day.. like i said im experimenting with his method in open woods situations.. i can already put a tree where i want but i still see possibilities in his cut.. u mite loose a bd ft or two ,,but ive been studying it some,,and can see where it would have its place. thanks for u concern tho..
i wont experiment by myself.. really what got me looking at it,, was watching an fella do it here with some cedars he wanted.. he worked fast and had it dn to an exact procedure...
well what about it john .. u want to fly dn an teach an old dog a new trick..
we ll cut the wood first an askum if they wanted it felled later.
ps.. of course in tite quarters on a leaner,, i always tie it off.. or dont do it if its too big for me to handle.thanks
mabe 2 times .. little old to keep up withim all day.. like i said im experimenting with his method in open woods situations.. i can already put a tree where i want but i still see possibilities in his cut.. u mite loose a bd ft or two ,,but ive been studying it some,,and can see where it would have its place. thanks for u concern tho..
i wont experiment by myself.. really what got me looking at it,, was watching an fella do it here with some cedars he wanted.. he worked fast and had it dn to an exact procedure...
well what about it john .. u want to fly dn an teach an old dog a new trick..
we ll cut the wood first an askum if they wanted it felled later.
ps.. of course in tite quarters on a leaner,, i always tie it off.. or dont do it if its too big for me to handle.thanks
MasterBlaster
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Originally posted by Mike Maas
This is hands down the worst thread yet on Arboristsite!
I'm proud to be part of it.
Nah.
Theres worse.
http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11924
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D'OH!
tony marks
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theres a bit more to this fellas story....
hes not fella thats ever worked regular
except hes got a thing about building barns .. so thats what he does for people. he builds out of scavenged trees [not stolen ]just what people dont want.
he dont mind asking anybody ,,and the truth is i kinda got him figured for stealing my 028 several yrs ago.. so i keep him away from here. but hes unique to say the least.
hes not fella thats ever worked regular
except hes got a thing about building barns .. so thats what he does for people. he builds out of scavenged trees [not stolen ]just what people dont want.
he dont mind asking anybody ,,and the truth is i kinda got him figured for stealing my 028 several yrs ago.. so i keep him away from here. but hes unique to say the least.
MasterBlaster
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Lumberjack
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Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Well... uh... you're freaking knuts. But I mean that in a good way.
Uh, vector?
I gar-on-tea you the energy of the 'horizontal' pull adds extra strength to the overall pull.
But there are those who disagree with me.
The horizonal vector is the overall pull. Did you do what I told you with the rope over your shoulder? See what I mean? One vector is pulling down, and the other vector is the pull that is making you tip over, same with the tree. The horizonal vector is pushing at your shoulder, not your whole body.
Carl
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