Falling pics 11/25/09

[slowp]

I tried and failed to find a picture of the bird surrounded by water.
Here's a movie trailer...yes, they made a movie about Yardbirds, that shows more.

Our Wenatchee version was Stan's Merrymart.
Here's the movie. To kind of keep on subject, you could get rigging clothes and web gear and all sorts of stuff at the Yardbirds.
Madsen's is just a bit north.
Skinny and Fatty: The Story of Yard Birds (Trailer) on Vimeo

 

[madhatte]

My buddy Rob and his wife Karma made that movie. I got my DVD from him for looking at some trees he was worried about blowing down. Prairie-colonization firs don't blow down easily, and I told him so. I like the barter system.

 

[Joe46]

Use to go there with our family friends from Winlock. Swains General store in Port Angeles was similar. Use to carry a lot of surplus stuff, but that kinda faded away.

 

[nw axe man]

Disclaimer;
I just found this on a fire fighter site. (This was at a Doug Dent training/certification on the San Bernardino National Forest in California)

http://www.wildlandfire.com/docs/2011/lessons-learned/aar-close-call-escaping-the-stump-v-good.pdf

For the good of the order - I have seen once where a slightly bigger piece out of the center of a Loblolly snag (aka southern or slash pine) was thrown back to the stump by a relatively small oak tree. That faller, Mark Gibbons of the Redmond Jumpers, had exited briskly w/saw and we only had to restart his heart once. We did not have any idea that was about to happen or possible. A thought for anyone could be do everything you can to avoid dropping into oak or similar strength hardwoods because they can bend a long ways, not break, and actually throw very large widowmakers back even past the stump. It is not inconceivable that the second or third sway of the hardwood could be what throws said widowmaker, so keep looking longer than the rabble around you.

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That fire fighter chat site, highly regulated and no fun, is at:

They Said

How's Mark Gibbons doing. He's a good man.

 

[Greenwedge]

Jimmy

Did any of you Washington Cats know Jimmy? I only knew him for a little while, but he sure was a hell of a guy!

 

[Greenwedge]

Here's a couple from a year or two back.

I do kinda miss cutting these shovel flats!



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[Rounder]

Flat is nice on the knees, nice pics.

 

[RandyMac]

I do kinda miss cutting these shovel flats!



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dang, look at that stump pull, clear to the roots. Maybe a bit steeper on the face.

 

[Greenwedge]

dang, look at that stump pull, clear to the roots. Maybe a bit steeper on the face.

That was intended Mac Daddy. She hooked out over McDonald Lagoon something fierce, and was given specific orders to keep the drink clean. She had a walking dutchman in er and I purposely made the uphill side of my holding wood in that root to insure the integrity of my holding wood. As you can see she worked well! lol

 

[RandyMac]

That was intended Mac Daddy. She hooked out over McDonald Lagoon something fierce, and was given specific orders to keep the drink clean. She had a walking dutchman in er and I purposely made the uphill side of my holding wood in that root to insure the integrity of my holding wood. As you can see she worked well! lol

Gotcha, was it as noisy as it looked, they kinda squeak.

 

[Greenwedge]

Gotcha, was it as noisy as it looked, they kinda squeak.

Not really a Squeak, more like an intense screech!

 

[NORMZILLA44]

How many Dutchman's are there now? I knew of three until recently? The Step, the kerf, and swing dutchman. I heard you refer to that as a walking dutchman same as the swing? Also I guess there is a soft Dutchman you guy's heard of that one?

 

[bitzer]

Nice pics Pat! I figured you had a reason for pulling that root out! The cookie cutters in the saw forum would be jealous, hehe.

Thanks Jameson! Yep, White Pine. Nice pic of you in front of that pine. It looked like you had some fun on that job. It was fun seeing the progression of pics and vids through-out it.


Hardwood limb tossing: I cut 95% hardwoods, and I've had MANY limbs thrown back at me when I've been well behind the stump. Sometimes those limbs can amount to small trees. LOOK UP and DUCK!


There are as many variations (and names) of the dutchman as can be imagined. They all swing. Soft and walk I'd equate with the same. Kerf is more like the gunning cut bypassing the undercut back to the natural lean and allowing the closing of the kerf to break the hinge. Then theres cutting one side off completely. The type of wood and situation really dictates what to use if at all. Some wood holds to the stump better than others. The options are endless and fun to play with when you think you know what you're doing. The last part of the last sentence can bite you in the ass.



Been crazy busy lately, barely enough time to take a breath. Got a residental this afternoon when the wife gets home from work. 90 and humid boys! Still throwing chips though, even if it is onto pavement.

I've also noticed finished lumber prices steadily rising. Almost weekly. Hopefully thats spreading back through-out the entire industry.

 

[NORMZILLA44]

Cool, new about the curf,swing, and step, but recntly heard of the soft Dutchman, and walking I guess. I have swung a few, but doing what we do usually we have the luxury to throw a rope in em, doing tree work. Very understandable how they are a necessity for a faller. I have heard of alot of guy's getting in trouble with the kerf Dutcman. Like D. Dent siad least control of any of the methods. I would like to see it in action, and put to use on a big tree though, out of curiousity. Norm...........

 

[madhatte]

I've also noticed finished lumber prices steadily rising. Almost weekly. Hopefully thats spreading back through-out the entire industry.

From what I've seen (I have a running tally of every sale we've sold in the last four years, from high to low and back again), the recovery of timber prices is both real and steady. However, it is also sort of sad and ironic. Private lumber is largely going overseas as raw logs, no work for the mills, all value-added opportunities lost. Yep, you can blame day-traders for that.

However, all public land (that I know of) is export-restricted, so that's pretty much all that's making it into the domestic market. Of course, the logging on public land is SEVERELY curtailed compared to even just a few years ago, so that's driving prices up. It's an artificial scarcity, but it's keeping us afloat for now.

Your mileage may vary regionally, but I think not by much.

 

[Greenwedge]

How many Dutchman's are there now? I knew of three until recently? The Step, the kerf, and swing dutchman. I heard you refer to that as a walking dutchman same as the swing? Also I guess there is a soft Dutchman you guy's heard of that one?

There is so much terminology....it may be the same as a step, I'm not farmiliar with the term. The walking is a series of Dutchmans, the first cut that's flush w/ the top cut ........there aint no way I can explain it, but I usually use 3 different cuts and they help walk the tree into the next one......you just have to see it to make sense of it.

 

[NORMZILLA44]

Cool, thanks for the reply. It sounds like the same as what some guy's are calling a soft Dutchman. I know what you mean when you say you gotta see it, to make sense. Hands on for me was always easier then trying to put it together in a book or picture.

 

[Samlock]

From what I've seen (I have a running tally of every sale we've sold in the last four years, from high to low and back again), the recovery of timber prices is both real and steady. However, it is also sort of sad and ironic. Private lumber is largely going overseas as raw logs, no work for the mills, all value-added opportunities lost. Yep, you can blame day-traders for that.

However, all public land (that I know of) is export-restricted, so that's pretty much all that's making it into the domestic market. Of course, the logging on public land is SEVERELY curtailed compared to even just a few years ago, so that's driving prices up. It's an artificial scarcity, but it's keeping us afloat for now.

Your mileage may vary regionally, but I think not by much.

I can't believe you're exporting the raw logs out of the country. That's just... But the prices are getting up for sure. It goes with every parcel. Speaking of the flat... I'm cutting currently energy wood on a flattest plot there is in the world I think. Have to take my camera with tomorrow. If no pics, it didn't happen, right?

 

[bitzer]

Shameless promotion of my own pics.

Conventional Dutch. The closing of the kerf breaks the hinge or you can cut off the far side when the back opens up enough.

Walking Dutch. This tree had some back and side lean, so I sawed some favorable lean into it. The lower kerfs gradually change the lean until it comes out to the face. Through the entire backcut you're watching the top and sawing accordingly until you saw the far side off completely. A Sizwel in the near side really keeps it coming and sometimes has to be sawed off before it goes to far. It could be easy to lose a tree backwards this way.

All woods hold differently and I wouldn't recommend anyone trying this on any decent size of tree without having cut MANY trees in the past. I also use a walking dutch on trees with serious side lean. You need the room for the swing, even a little brushing of limbs will kill the movement and hang you up. Then you're havin fun!
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[bitzer]

From what I've seen (I have a running tally of every sale we've sold in the last four years, from high to low and back again), the recovery of timber prices is both real and steady. However, it is also sort of sad and ironic. Private lumber is largely going overseas as raw logs, no work for the mills, all value-added opportunities lost. Yep, you can blame day-traders for that.

However, all public land (that I know of) is export-restricted, so that's pretty much all that's making it into the domestic market. Of course, the logging on public land is SEVERELY curtailed compared to even just a few years ago, so that's driving prices up. It's an artificial scarcity, but it's keeping us afloat for now.

Your mileage may vary regionally, but I think not by much.

You may be right about the local effect. I buy all of my hardwood lumber from Menards and I know they buy it from a local mill. I think things are on the up turn. Thanks for the info!

Nice pics back there by the way man!