Falling pics 11/25/09

[nw axe man]

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Conventional Dutch. The closing of the kerf breaks the hinge or you can cut off the far side when the back opens up enough.

Walking Dutch. This tree had some back and side lean, so I sawed some favorable lean into it. The lower kerfs gradually change the lean until it comes out to the face. Through the entire backcut you're watching the top and sawing accordingly until you saw the far side off completely. A Sizwel in the near side really keeps it coming and sometimes has to be sawed off before it goes to far. It could be easy to lose a tree backwards this way.

All woods hold differently and I wouldn't recommend anyone trying this on any decent size of tree without having cut MANY trees in the past. I also use a walking dutch on trees with serious side lean. You need the room for the swing, even a little brushing of limbs will kill the movement and hang you up. Then you're havin fun!
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Hey, Bud.
You're attachments were invalid for some reason. Can you try again. I want to see what you're talking about.

 

[Gologit]

Hey, Bud.
You're attachments were invalid for some reason. Can you try again. I want to see what you're talking about.

I couldn't get the pictures, either. I'd like to see them.
Theres so much difference in terminology from place to place that a lot of times guys will be arguing the same side and not even know it.

LOL...working in a locale other than your own is always an education in descriptions and techniques. Some times you don't have to get very far from home for that to happen either.

 

[Rounder]

I couldn't get the pictures, either. I'd like to see them.
Theres so much difference in terminology from place to place that a lot of times guys will be arguing the same side and not even know it.

LOL...working in a locale other than your own is always an education in descriptions and techniques. Some times you don't have to get very far from home for that to happen either.

Starting a new job tomorow with a big yarder outfit. Should be very interesting with different technique and terminology. Always the biggest hurdle when starting a new gig. Everyone has their own name for everything for sure, lol. It seems like whenever I talk to other fallers, we just confuse each other. I just try not to sound like too much of a ding dong. Already look like one. -Sam

 

[mdavlee]

Hope you like the new gig Sam. Try to get some pictures for us east coasters that haven't seen anything like that. :msp_wink:

 

[Rounder]

Hope you like the new gig Sam. Try to get some pictures for us east coasters that haven't seen anything like that. :msp_wink:

Will do. Let me get a week under my belt before I stand around with the camera, lol. Should be doing some neat jobs, double intermediate supports, downhill stuff, the works. At least I'm just falling, hate fooling with the rigging. We'll see how she goes, it's going to be HOT logging - Sam

 

[mdavlee]

Alright man take care.

 

[bitzer]

Hey Sam can't wait to see some pics! It tickled 100 here today and the woods is as humid as cambodia.

Hopefully this way works. Nothin new here I've posted these before and I'm having a hard time pulling them out of the thread many pages back.

Walking (soft) Dutch

Conventional (gun bypass) Dutch

I guess the way I think about the soft dutch is that its kind of like the reverse of wedging. Instead of lifting the butt by fractions of inches to move the top by feet, I'm dropping the butt by removing fractions of inches, but still moving the top by feet. Its just another way to change the lean. If I'm completely insane in this thinking please let me Know!

 

[Sport Faller]

whoa that soft dutchman is far out, how far back do you go with the cuts, also do you just keep doing the horizontal cuts until it's leaning enough and then start in on the back?

 

[Metals406]

whoa that soft dutchman is far out, how far back do you go with the cuts, also do you just keep doing the horizontal cuts until it's leaning enough and then start in on the back?

Woah, easy grasshopper. Them are advanced cuts that can land you in a casket without proper instruction. :msp_mellow:

All in good time.

 

[paccity]

ya, need to pac some ones gear for a while, look ,listen,learn.

 

[forestryworks]

whoa that soft dutchman is far out, how far back do you go with the cuts, also do you just keep doing the horizontal cuts until it's leaning enough and then start in on the back?

A dutchman isn't fail proof.

I'd say get 5 years of real falling under your belt before attempting them.

Do like paccity said, pack some gear around for a faller and watch and watch and listen and listen and ask questions.

I've tried a few dutchmans... Didn't really like it. Maybe I'll give it a shot again in a few years.

 

[OregonSawyer]

Is it just me or do you guys sometimes wish you could stand the tree back up and try something a little different on it to see how the results differ?

 

[paccity]

Is it just me or do you guys sometimes wish you could stand the tree back up and try something a little different on it to see how the results differ?

mostly after i skrewed it up the first time.:biggrin:

 

[Metals406]

I call every tree, my "Learning Tree."

 

[bitzer]

Is it just me or do you guys sometimes wish you could stand the tree back up and try something a little different on it to see how the results differ?

Honestly I'd like to test out all kinds of different things in order to see what different results I would get.

Thats what hangers are for I guess. Plenty of time to think about what you did wrong and the punishment that goes with it. haha.

 

[bitzer]

whoa that soft dutchman is far out, how far back do you go with the cuts, also do you just keep doing the horizontal cuts until it's leaning enough and then start in on the back?

I've messed around with the soft dutch hundreds (probably approaching thousands) of times. I started trying it on small trees and tried many different things while learning the results. I've pinched saws too many times and have also lost a few trees over sideways. Cleaning up hangers is a pita. Things get ugly real quick.

Its all feel. I saw back until I feel the kerf start to tighten and then pull out quick. If the kerf does not start to tighten up when you think it should its time for plan b. I've also recut kerfs after the tree sat down to open it up again when they have a lot of side lean. Like I said though, the wood has got to hold. There comes a point when there really is no thinking involved. Its not like step 1, step 2, step 3.......

I have never used this face on softwood although I may get a chance next week.

 

[forestryworks]

I call every tree, my "Learning Tree."

Hopefully they all are.

 

[Gologit]

Is it just me or do you guys sometimes wish you could stand the tree back up and try something a little different on it to see how the results differ?

Oh yeah ! Especially after you splatter one.

 

[paccity]

Oh yeah ! Especially after you splatter one.

makin toothpicks dosn't make some people happy.

 

[Metals406]

Oh yeah ! Especially after you splatter one.

Power Bucking!


What Ol Bob isn't saying, is that he's so good, he can bust'em where they need to be cut anyway.

He just eyeballs the sort list, and goes to town.