Falling pics 11/25/09

[paccity]

or pat's.

 

[Hddnis]

Real glad that it wasn't worse, that is barely a reminder.



Mr. HE

 

[Metals406]

or pat's.

Yeah, Ol Pat's was nasty too.

I hope I never get bit that bad!

 

[paccity]

Yeah, Ol Pat's was nasty too.

I hope I never get bit that bad!

what is it with forearms.:msp_confused:

 

[Metals406]

what is it with forearms.:msp_confused:

Maybe a guy should get some of those forearm chaps?

 

[madhatte]

Last name is Hashagen or some derivative of.

Pretty sure I went to high school with his son.

Ok guys enough car talk please. Anyway on that alder just start a small back cut bout 3/4 of your bar width. Pound in wedge just a little. So its snug. Then start do your under cut! Just a lil make sure the tree doesn't wanna go. If you can get your face cut all the way in leave quite a bit of holding wood. Then start feathering each side. When the tree starts to go leave you saw in there and at last minute cut "all" your holding wood. Kinda like a flying dutchman. But you take all your hinge at the last second. Then run like hell. The tree should hit the very bottom of your face cut and shoot strait out a good 10 feet at least. Hope this helps.

Uh, yeah, not gonna do that. Back lean? Different story. Head lean? That's a recipe for a clobberin'.

chain, shirt got the worst of it. got sloppy.:msp_mad:

Don't do that! Geeze, man!

 

[bitzer]

Madhatte- humboldt with a snipe. Not a real steep humboldt. Think getting the whole stem to lay out at the same time. Distributes all the weight across the entire surface of the tree. Steep humboldt and its going butt down first. Conventional and its top first. You want to get that thing nearly parallel before she lays. Nip out the heart wood of the face and rip er off the stump. My guess is that alder cuts alot like some of the speices that chair around here. I've laid quite a few over pavement and haven't effd anything up yet. Yet is key.

On sounding trees- I do it every day.

Paccity- what do you do with that wood? Nice work! Looks like fun.

Samlock- pulpin aint easy, looks good though. Cutting an MFL right now. Too much pulp for handcutting.

 

[madhatte]

You want to get that thing nearly parallel before she lays. Nip out the heart wood of the face and rip er off the stump. My guess is that alder cuts alot like some of the speices that chair around here. I've laid quite a few over pavement and haven't effd anything up yet. Yet is key.

Sound advice. If I'm gonna gut it, I'm not gonna want to nip the corners. Haven't done it that way before but I'm game.

 

[bitzer]

Sound advice. If I'm gonna gut it, I'm not gonna want to nip the corners. Haven't done it that way before but I'm game.

I never nip corners unless I'm cutting them off for dutchmans. I really don't get the point. The corners are going to have more strength being green. The highest pressure when the face closes is in the heart. Its all about continous movement through the face. Stalling causes the split or chair. Let us know how it goes.

 

[paccity]

Madhatte- humboldt with a snipe. Not a real steep humboldt. Think getting the whole stem to lay out at the same time. Distributes all the weight across the entire surface of the tree. Steep humboldt and its going butt down first. Conventional and its top first. You want to get that thing nearly parallel before she lays. Nip out the heart wood of the face and rip er off the stump. My guess is that alder cuts alot like some of the speices that chair around here. I've laid quite a few over pavement and haven't effd anything up yet. Yet is key.

On sounding trees- I do it every day.

Paccity- what do you do with that wood? Nice work! Looks like fun.

Samlock- pulpin aint easy, looks good though. Cutting an MFL right now. Too much pulp for handcutting.

thanks bitzer. going for pulp. no one want's it for anything else.

this one slapped flat, but when there this big they tend to make a dent.

 

[bitzer]

thanks bitzer. going for pulp. no one want's it for anything else.

this one slapped flat, but when there this big they tend to make a dent.

Yeah theres not much you can do about those. I'm not even sure they use it for pulp up here. My pulp mill doesn't anyway. I think someone might saw it up for pallet wood. On my mill's price sheet they list it as-cull $40/mbf

 

[OlympicYJ]

Pretty sure I went to high school with his son.

Thought he has younger kids.... I know I know sounds like I'm pokin fun at yer age...

 

[madhatte]

I never nip corners unless I'm cutting them off for dutchmans. I really don't get the point. The corners are going to have more strength being green. The highest pressure when the face closes is in the heart. Its all about continous movement through the face. Stalling causes the split or chair. Let us know how it goes.

I had sort of figured on some variation of a Coos Bay but this seems a good opportunity to try something new. I usually nip the corners doing Coos Bays on alders -- seems to make 'em go over faster so less time to chair. I've cut more stems of alder than I have anything else, I think, but they're always such scraggly little things that the real challenge is in not getting whipped. I'd rather cut fir any day.

Thought he has younger kids.... I know I know sounds like I'm pokin fun at yer age...

Either way, I went to school with a Jay H. Good guy, haven't seen him in years.

 

[OlympicYJ]

Either way, I went to school with a Jay H. Good guy, haven't seen him in years.

That's the guy! Couldn't quite remember his first name off the top of my noggin. He's a Matco dealer now. Seems like a pretty decent guy. Was talkin up some tool I was lookin at an said he used it all the time restoring VWs.

It is a very small world... Shoot we probably know some of the same people. We might of even met at a SW SAF chapter meeting and didn't know it! lol

 

[madhatte]

We might of even met at a SW SAF chapter meeting and didn't know it! lol

Or, more likely, passed on a trail in Capitol Forest.

 

[OlympicYJ]

Likely not. Hardley ever get up into the Capitol Forest. Especially now that you have to have the discover pass.

 

[madhatte]

Likely not. Hardley ever get up into the Capitol Forest. Especially now that you have to have the discover pass.

Some of my favorite shootin' spots are up in there. Plus, permanent free veteran pass and all (got one for Fed land too).

 

[TreeGuyHR]

Madhatte- humboldt with a snipe. Not a real steep humboldt. Think getting the whole stem to lay out at the same time. Distributes all the weight across the entire surface of the tree. Steep humboldt and its going butt down first. Conventional and its top first. You want to get that thing nearly parallel before she lays. Nip out the heart wood of the face and rip er off the stump. My guess is that alder cuts alot like some of the speices that chair around here. I've laid quite a few over pavement and haven't effd anything up yet. Yet is key.

On sounding trees- I do it every day.

Paccity- what do you do with that wood? Nice work! Looks like fun.

Samlock- pulpin aint easy, looks good though. Cutting an MFL right now. Too much pulp for handcutting.

I am enjoying this conversation. The attached pics below are of a big dying hemlock that a couple guys (unnamed) used to demo "hazard tree falling" at an ISA PNW conference. Rather than admit they screwed up (which I, and you guys here know they did, in more ways than one) they insisted to the credulous crowd around the stump that it was "just right". This was even ignoring that fact that they had to put two more people on the rope (which was strung through several blocks) to pull the tree over!. :bang:

Maybe this one should be called the "two tiered above and below the face back-cut"?

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Kind of reminds me of the old joke:

Question:

What is an expert?

Answer:

A little drip.

 

[OlympicYJ]

Some of my favorite shootin' spots are up in there. Plus, permanent free veteran pass and all (got one for Fed land too).

Sigh... I be a poor popper... haha actually unwilling to pay the state more money. That's a whole nother animal lol I've never shot up there. Some of the times I've been up there were a few too many people. Looks like some good shootin spots though.

 

[Metals406]

Yeah theres not much you can do about those. I'm not even sure they use it for pulp up here. My pulp mill doesn't anyway. I think someone might saw it up for pallet wood. On my mill's price sheet they list it as-cull $40/mbf

$40 bucks a thousand? Not even worth starting the saw.

I've seen CW used here for pallets and trailer decking (if you can keep the timber bind to a min).

Word tell is they're buying it for trailer decking and rig mats in ND. Not sure what a guy gets fer it?