Falling pics 11/25/09

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Its a total load of horseshit. I've never tried it because there are much better and safer ways. What happens when the butt moves beyond the 'lock'? Or what if the tree just blows up from all the pressure? Believe me if its leaning hard enough and is the right species it can happen. That tree he shows is not leaning that hard. Hes a bore cut, dance around the stump kind of guy. I could go on for a while about his techniques. Rudimentary at best. I just don't get these kind of guys. They've been cutting timber for years and they still don't understand the physics of falling timber. I'd have two more on the ground while he was still setting up his 'lock'.
 
bitzer and company,

Being the igmo that I am, I have been let to believe that the bore cut is designed to be an "anti-barber chair" cut by providing a "properly" set hinge with a bore cut and then a stress relieving back cut from center to back leaving a trigger/trip strip. If a proper bore cuts prevent barber chairs as advertized then I don't see the need for Wade's block/lock. It looks to me that if this method has any merit, it is a bore cutter's compensation for a hinge that may be too thick or misplaced. Am I looking at this correctly? I cut very little and I leave falling bores and triggers to others but I sure can't see how this block/lock provides much. Frankly, even with my little experience, I wouldn't put too much trust in the strength of a two inch thick sliver created by overlapping cuts.

Ron
 
Its a total load of horseshit. I've never tried it because there are much better and safer ways. What happens when the butt moves beyond the 'lock'? Or what if the tree just blows up from all the pressure? Believe me if its leaning hard enough and is the right species it can happen. That tree he shows is not leaning that hard. Hes a bore cut, dance around the stump kind of guy. I could go on for a while about his techniques. Rudimentary at best. I just don't get these kind of guys. They've been cutting timber for years and they still don't understand the physics of falling timber. I'd have two more on the ground while he was still setting up his 'lock'.

Well said.
 
Sooo..... Why would he post this if he didn't want anyone to try it? Doesn't make sense.

I think there becomes a point where fear and over-analyzing a situation just plain cuts into productivity too much. You can be safe and efficient at the same time. There is not much value in my mind to be over-safe. There is risk in timber cutting period.

The other day we had a little mud on the road. slight outward slope; and the trucks went through it. We have a new driver and he went through the spot with his door open in case he had to bail. But, at the same time, they never put chains on, too lazy in their own words. There is a difference between doing wierd things because of fear and doing things wisely. In the long run the wise will save you time. One of the trucks we had to hook the cat and the skidder to and pull him out. 45 minutes of non productivity for us because they didn't want to chain up. They would have pulled through fine with 1 set I bet.

Some times it feels like to me that there are people out there who over prepare for things too much, I don't drive around with a spare rebuilt engine and a hoist in my pick-up in case I have engine problems. That tree I would just be a little lighter on my toes (maybe... doesn't look that bad) and have an escape route. There's nothing around it I could be 20 feet from that thing at the first sign of a split.

That said, I wont try it, cause its too much cutting for not enough safety value. A triangle (coos?) or "T" or simple bore and cut the trigger is what I use and has worked fine for me. I don't want to have to buck every butt after that cut. Besides, in my experience, most trees that I have chaired have to do with the face, (either not cleaned out, or too narrow) not the back-cut.

Boy, all that was almost a rant... sorry.
Maybe I missed the whole point but thats what it stirred up in me.
 
i did not watch it.............i tried to gol a 40" poplar a while back, hard head lean. almost did chair way behind the hinge. i couldn't barrel out the back that fast.........i saw it start to split so yes they can chair. all that is BS some one come up with for falling whips.
 
I was cruising videos and came across a bunch of him in the skidder. Then two falling videos come up- a 19 tree domino and that chair-release one. He's entertaining when in the skidder. It seems that's where he spends most of his time.
I didn't figure that for a gol style cut because of the stepped backcut, but I see now that its in the same wheelhouse. Not anything I've come across in the woods out here, so I thought maybe some of you from the other side of the river might be using it.
 
Yes I'm kidding. Since we're on the leaner subject I'll share a funny story from yesterday . We moved the grapple skidder to a land clearing job yesterday. First tree was a decent sized black birch.. . maybe 20 inches on the stump. The boss grabbed my 661 and went at the tree cause he wanted to try the saw out. Don't know what he was thinking but he left his hinge wood about 3 inches thick the whole way across. Needless to say it have him a barber chair with a 4 foot back. Out of practice he is.
 
No idea, my guess was screwing around with the jack. A good example of why if you put a jack in later to slam a wedge or two, and have a good plate as well, yes it worked there but they won't always. Jacking isn't a fast deal to do because if you go to fast you'll pop them off the hinge.


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