Falling pics 11/25/09

[bitzer]

I guess at some point the question in my mind is, if that tree was not cut and sawed in full production mode but rather with an eye to what kind of grain could result out of that butt swell; would it be worth a heck of a lot more money? I don't have an answer, just thinking out loud. I love looking at the grain that comes out when a pc of wood is sawed or split

What are you going to doing with 6-8" of cool looking grain in the end of a board?

 

[Woody912]

What are you going to doing with 6-8" of cool looking grain in the end of a board?

Ever seen the price of AAA gunstock blanks? Figured grain lays out in the buttstock, straight grain thru the wrist where strength is required

 

[northmanlogging]

You ever seen gun stocks made out of anything but walnut? besides plastic or laminates

 

[RandyMac]

birch

 

[Leeroy]

Maple

 

[northmanlogging]

Ok shut up...

 

[hseII]

Birch

Maple

French Walnut

 

[madhatte]

Causarina (Norinco SKS)

 

[RandyMac]

Probably more rifles stocked in birch, than anything else.
Nearly 40 million Mosin Nagants were birch, the US also used it.

 

[madhatte]

OOH! Also spruce, lots of WWI Springfields stocked with PNW spruce. Some Winchester 1894's, too, as I recall.

 

[bitzer]

Ever seen the price of AAA gunstock blanks? Figured grain lays out in the buttstock, straight grain thru the wrist where strength is required

Sure but that's a specialty market you need to cater to. I don't have that around here. I've got a burl market though. You would have to figure in for extra length to take that butt cut off. The mill is not going to cut 2ft of and then saw a 6'. We're talking specialty stuff now. Not typical production wood.

 

[Jhenderson]

A veneer grade alder or maple is allowed no deflect correct that includes no face on the log right? If so a Humboldt is the right choice even in Europe I learned from my wife who is from Germany they're no excuse, East coast boys.

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I have no problem selling slicer red oak with a face. Have another drink.

 

[Woody912]

Sure but that's a specialty market you need to cater to. I don't have that around here. I've got a burl market though. You would have to figure in for extra length to take that butt cut off. The mill is not going to cut 2ft of and then saw a 6'. We're talking specialty stuff now. Not typical production wood.

I understand that but given that neither Ohio or Indiana are exactly covered with virgin forest I think the specialty market to high rollers becomes more critical. I saw a 69" dbh white oak ground into mulch at the local liberal arts college. Probably worth multiple $10,000's cut into slabs and flitches.

 

[Woody912]

OOH! Also spruce, lots of WWI Springfields stocked with PNW spruce. Some Winchester 1894's, too, as I recall.

ok, that one I did not know. Are you sure about that?????????? Birch I buy, spruce I wonder

 

[northmanlogging]

Boy these chucks are hard to eat... and taste like diesel, hydro fluid and landing mud.

 

[rwoods]

Seems a lot of folks talking oranges while others are talking apples lately. Both fruits from trees but ... .

Ron

 

[rwoods]

... Take this red oak for instance. The root flair is terrible. ... And cutting just above the flair will get you several more trees down a day. ... .
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Losing an 8' log in the end of the tree because of taller stump? Depends on how good your math is. Every once in a while and I mean about 6 times a year I think I should have cut the stump a few inches lower to get that last log. Definitely not a daily occurrence or weekly or monthly even. And like I said you'll put a lot more wood down in a day cutting just above the flare on most trees then fighting it.

Come on, bitzer, if you did a little euro falling, you could ditch the gas guzzling big saw with the heavy power robbing time consuming long bar and extra cutters for a smaller short bar saw and save all kind of filing/grinding time and fatigue which together will give you more time and energy to cut flares. Plus an average of six more logs a year. Sounds like a win-win. Almost as good as the mythological perpetual motion machine.

Ron

PS to my previous post. Kidding aside to quote my contractor when I was trying to save money building my house by cutting out sub-contractors, “It’s pretty hard to beat a man at his own game.” A lot of truth in what he said. Applies here as well. What works/pays in one type of logging might not in another.

Good techniques are usually developed over the course of time by those making a living at it. Especially by those willing to challenge convention by trying something different and survive to evaluate it. From what I see, I believe bitzer and a few others are among the willing.

 

[madhatte]

Here's a spruce Winchester. I'm having a hell of a time confirming the Springfield provenance via Google, but the archaeologist on Ft Lewis put together a pamphlet for last years' centennial detailing the history of the Spruce Corps, which was comprised of soldiers enlisted to log during WWI, and one of the products they were said to be tasked with producing was spruce gun blanks, as walnut was running short during the war. I'll see if I can find a copy of this pamphlet, or better yet, get a link to a primary reference from the archaeologist.

 

[northmanlogging]

out of curiosity, I tried out a full comp chain 32" on ye ole 461 just cause I've never put one on a long bar

Loads up a bit so you really can't dog in and get some on a big tree.

But limbing sure goes faster now.

right until I rocked the snot out of it... couldn't even bump a toe kicker after that

I'll grind it to chisel when I gets some daylight and see how it does then, was a round ground chain, cause the saw shop didn't have any full chisel for me.

 

[rwoods]

Not sure the stocks were spruce. Here is what I found regarding spruce Winchesters: https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1x91gw/as_requested_my_wwi_levergat_winchester_model/

Ron