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Nailsbeats

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I have been thinking about some new equipment. After a lot of reading on this forum and looking around I decided to buy a 192t Stihl. Got one tank through her and like it so far. I also bought a 1/2"x15' 3 strand flipline with a snap on each end and a prusic ajuster with a snap in the middle. I have never used this style flipline, but liked the thought of always being tied in going around obstacles. For the saw I bought a bungee lanyard. I haven't received the flip line or saw lanyard yet so I have no experience with them. Anyone have any thoughts one the flipline and saw lanyard? P.S. don't mention the saw, that issue has been beat to death. Thanks.
 
Depends on the trees he's attacking. 15 feet would do a lot on smaller stuff, but not much on the larger ones.

I use two separate lanyards (flip lines), one is a 10 foot 3 strand and the other is made from a piece of Arbormaster that one of my helpers "trimmed" for me. (OK... shortening my rope was NOT a good thing!)
 
Have to agree that two separate lanyards is (much) better. In the setup described, the "two" aren't independent. Also, the prusik in the middle is a really crappy knot. The asymmetrical knots work a lot better, but they only work on a single lanyard.
 
Moray - I have to disagree with your comment about the prusik on the "double". I have a double, but almost never use it because I am usually in bigger trees. The prusik works very well on the 3 strand lanyards. My "single" 3 strand lanyard uses a prusik for adjustment also. I have never had the prusik slip on my "single" or my "double". I will say that the prusik on my single almost always ends up in a very awkward place to reach.
 
fecrousejr, I guess our mileage will vary. I had one of the commercial doubles built with 3-strand and a 6-wrap prusik in the middle. It "worked" in the sense that it grabbed the rope almost like it was welded to it. I unwound it till I had a 4-wrap prusik, and it still grabbed that tight. So I agree with you that you never have to worry about it slipping, but that is actually my complaint about the standard prusik--it is too hard to make it slip. Perhaps there is some combination of rope and standard prusik (mine was all 3-strand) that would work better than mine did.

When I made a single lanyard of 3-strand and controlled it with a Schwabisch made of Tenex, it was like night and day. It still gave me the iron grip, but now I could make it slide. I have a short piece of Arbormaster that I want to convert into a lanyard one of these days to see if I like it any better.
 
2 lanyards are great can never be tied in enough but invest in some good climbing rope baileys has a deal right now on dragon fly comes with a free rope bag i just ordered some more. like 99 bucks for 150 foot a climing line is your best anchor point in a tree.
 
Not too bad...

Nailsbeats , I think you did OK....

I started out with the same 3 strand lanyard with a snap on both ends and an english prussic in the middle. Added a petzl micro pulley secured with a screw link and a dog snap. It worked pretty good, held and didn't slip, and adjusted one handed with the pulley ok. Used it for about a year.

The only problem I had was when passing limbs, the length was always wrong
and when changing over you had to look and think a little more because everything was the same color and had the same snaps. Still it worked ok.

I agree with most that a 2nd flipline is a better set up. After going to 2 fliplines , I would never go back. Sooner or later , you'll probably go to a differant set up also.

I now use a 12 ft. 5/8 in. wire core flipline with swivel snap, adjusted with a 30 in. long 3/8 diam. tenex eye to eye sling tied with a distal and
a 12 ft. 1/2 in. braided lanyard , non swivel snap spliced on one end, with a Gibbs adjuster, most of the time. The wire core is orange and the braided is hi vis green.
The contrasting colors are great. So far , I haven't needed anything longer.

I always use the break away bungee saw lanyard and I wouldn't use anything else with my 200t. It's the one piece of gear that I haven't changed out as I have evoled in my climbing. Always remember though, If you go to a saw that weighs more than 15 lbs. fueled , the lanyard may separate if you drop it. Which would suck !
So back it up when you go big.

I used the retired 3 strand last month to safety around some brick chimneys and trim some river birches off an apartment building.
As long as it's in good serviceable shape even if you go to another set up , you'll occasionally find a use for old gear.

Good Luck and Happy Cutting ! :cheers:
 
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I just read mattfr12's post and totally agree, If you don't have a good climbing line yet I'd jump on the bailly's rope deal.

Climbing line (and dragon fly is great rope ) and a rope bag for 99.95 for 150 feet is a steal.
 
I use two lanyards also. Both made with three strand with rope snaps on one end. One is 8' with a screw link. I use tenex and a schwabisch to adjust it. Works great but wish I had made it 10'. The other is 30' with a braided end and bee line with a prusik to adjust it. The prusik gives me a hard time sometimes, I need to change it. I use mini pulleys as slack tenders on both.
 
I climb on a narrow kernmantle rope with a VT and tender pulley. My current one is 18 ft long with a captive eye carabiner on a girth hitched splice.

I have several old lines that I use for pine and other grungy trees, and a 30 fter on a grillon for very large trees,
 
Thanks guys for the replies. Here is a little info on me to help you better understand my situation.
I am 26 years old with 14 years of experience and am first now learning that climbing is an evolution. We always use a climbing line, saddle, spikes, saw line, and hand line.
My Old Man (with much respect!) always used his Jonsered 670 or bigger in the trees. He ran a crew for Asplund (Minneapolis,MN) in the Dutch Elm Disease days of the 70's. He always told me and my brother when in the tree, "just get it done." We didn't have much time to dream about equipment.
I am at the point where I want to try new things. Like one guy on this forum said, "tree climbers are making things harder than they have to be." I feel like we have been in the Stone age for a while. My dad is a great teacher and climber but his book is from 1970. Didn't even have a buckstrap until I finnished lineman school at age 19. Top handle saw? Didn't use my first one until about 5 years ago. Saw lanyard? Just bought my first one. Flipline? Learned what one was about a week ago. Bull rope? Got one about the time I got a buckstrap.
We have never walked away from a tree and currently have a long list to do, but now we have equipment. My brother just bought a 3120 w/5ft. bar and I have a skidsteer with 12 different attachments. Also we now have a dump truck, chipper, gear trailer, diesel w/30ft. gooseneck, and sawmill. Over 20 saws and counting between us.
This site has motivated me to no end. The word is EVOLUTION! Bring on the trees, we are hungry! Thanks again.
 
Thanks guys for the replies. Here is a little info on me to help you better understand my situation.
I am 26 years old with 14 years of experience and am first now learning that climbing is an evolution. We always use a climbing line, saddle, spikes, saw line, and hand line.
My Old Man (with much respect!) always used his Jonsered 670 or bigger in the trees. He ran a crew for Asplund (Minneapolis,MN) in the Dutch Elm Disease days of the 70's. He always told me and my brother when in the tree, "just get it done." We didn't have much time to dream about equipment.
I am at the point where I want to try new things. Like one guy on this forum said, "tree climbers are making things harder than they have to be." I feel like we have been in the Stone age for a while. My dad is a great teacher and climber but his book is from 1970. Didn't even have a buckstrap until I finnished lineman school at age 19. Top handle saw? Didn't use my first one until about 5 years ago. Saw lanyard? Just bought my first one. Flipline? Learned what one was about a week ago. Bull rope? Got one about the time I got a buckstrap.
We have never walked away from a tree and currently have a long list to do, but now we have equipment. My brother just bought a 3120 w/5ft. bar and I have a skidsteer with 12 different attachments. Also we now have a dump truck, chipper, gear trailer, diesel w/30ft. gooseneck, and sawmill. Over 20 saws and counting between us.
This site has motivated me to no end. The word is EVOLUTION! Bring on the trees, we are hungry! Thanks again.

Go Get'em Nails....
I'm talking greenery !!!! :clap:
 
Flipline combo

I like two, a 1/2 wire core for 90 percent of everything with a standard 1/2 for going around obstacles. It is nice because you have added safety when your cutting. I always go back to the wire core. Around power lines you can take the wire core off and your still ready to go. Use your climbing line as a back up or just add another non wire core line. I couldn't imagine going back to knot adjustment for a flip line after trying the smooth action of a wire core through a microcender, not sure if it is the best set up but know it is way better for me at least than wrestling with wraps filled with pine sap.
 
Just wanted to update you guys on my new gear I picked up today.

Got me a new saddle, the Butterfly2. Man I didn't know what I was missing. I am used to my legs being smashed together pinching my hips and smashing everything else. Now I have floating D and leg strap kind of movement. Light also. I had a second (bigger) ring added on the bridge, not sure how it will work, but I can change it out latter if need be.

Me and my Bro also got Pacific kevlar helmets. I tried the Petzel, but liked this one because of the brim to protect the face and the strength. A little heavier though and a bit more spendy.

I still need a good second flipline and I am done buying for a while, the wife is on to me.

My goal is to become safer and more efficient, nothing is more cost effective than that. Thanks to this forum for all the great help!
 
Here are pictures of me with my new gear.

This is the first job I did with my 192t, bungee saw lanyard, Butterfly saddle, suspenders, and Pacific kevlar hard hat. The combination has cut down a lot of weigh for me and added personal protection.

The best thing was having that 192 on my hip at all times, didn't even notice the weight when climbing. Some times it would hang up when trying to step through a crotch, but all in all very nice. I used all of the 12" bar on many cuts and liked the power.

This saddle is awesome. I never knew this kind of comfort, mobility, and light weight existed. Usually when I get out of a tree with my old 4D buttstrap Buckingham all I want to do is get the saddle off. With this baby I am in the truck before I remember it's still on.

The tree I am in is a 28" Hard Maple. We also took down a 20" that day. Both trees were right next to a house and deck with some leads hanging over them. The rain all morning got me and my dad wet and the trees good and slippery. Sorry, one picture is a little out of focus.

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add a split tail and a micropulley slacktender and never look back

i second that. i run a blakes on my split tail.


fliplines. i have three. 2 steelcore 8ft and 18ft. and as we speak on my belt is the 2n1 3strand flipline. its alright. pain to move that prussic, i need another micropulley to help that knot along. i am not totally sold on it though. i am thinking about switching it out and using 2 rope lanyards of varying lengths. we'll see though because i did spend hard earned loot on it and want to give it a chance.

hey nailsbeat you wouldve been nice and comfortable sitting on the seat in the dragonfly2. are you going to do any mods to the belt? i found i had to do a couple things to mine to get it to seat correctly for me. do a search on this site to see what i am talking about.


keep the pics coming
 
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