Footlocker/ Rock Exotica Dualascender?0

[TreeJunkie]

Has anyone tried out the Footlocker Ascender? I'm thinking of buying one. I can't remember if it is made by petzl or by Don Blair over at Sierra Moreno? Any suggestions on places to order this product, other than sherrill. I've looked at there website, and they now call it the Rock Exotica, in the catalog it used to be call the footlocker, are these two different products> I'll try to post pics of each...ANy help out there?
Sherrill post a pic of each , 1st the green one here.

 

[TreeJunkie]

Here's the second pic sherrill posts.

 

[rumination]

I think I've given the review on the footlocker like three times already, but I guess I'll make it four.

PROS: slides up REAL smooth; can get closer than the 5:1 ratio that you're limited to with a prusik

CONS: is a pain to take on and off the rope; costs way too freakin much

CONCLUSION: I stuck with a prusik

 

[Tom Dunlap]

It's made by Petzl now.

Denny Moorhouse gave me a prototype of a double cammer. In the ISC version both cams are connected which makes it a little safer and easier to put on the doubled ropes. Too bad it is a prototype. If I can connect with Denny I'll see what his intentions are for production.

Tom

 

[seanlarkin]

The one we are selling is the Roc Exotica version. The green one is the Petzl one. It looks like I updated the big picture, but missed the thumbail (little one). I apologize for the confusion.

-Sean

 

[TreeJunkie]

Thanks guys for the info.. Do any of you have one? I know they're expensive, but hey oh well, i'm just wondering how big of a pain in the arse they are to apply to the rope, which would take longer, to apply the footlocker or to tie a prusik, TDS.??? I'm thinking of using this in my aerial rescue. working off of the footlocker, as i would have worked off of the prusik.

 

[SteveBullman]

seems to me so long as you're using rope no larger than 11mm, fly for instance, then this device is no different to the petzl shunt, and a shunts a fraction of the cost and you can put it on and off in seconds.
i've got a shunt and used it for so many different applications, even Ddrt

 

[Tim Gardner]

Originally posted by stephenbullman
seems to me so long as you're using rope no larger than 11mm, fly for instance, then this device is no different to the petzl shunt, and a shunts a fraction of the cost and you can put it on and off in seconds.
i've got a shunt and used it for so many different applications, even Ddrt

The Shunt is what I use for footlocking. On the rare occasion when I need to double crotch I use it as the second climbing hitch. Beats carrying a tress cord on my saddle and tying a VT. Or using a closed system and tying a Blakes.

 

[rumination]

The shunt looks pretty useful. Too bad it won't accomodate 1/2" line.

Tim, do you use the Fly, and if so what size tress cord do you use with it?

 

[TreeJunkie]

Tim, are you using the shunt w/ 1/2''?? The shunt is only designed for up to 11mm, as someone else said, here the problem w/ the fly, it may be listed as 11 mm, however when i compare it's diameter to my 11mm km111, it's drastically larger. i'd say fly is closer to 12mm, There are differences between the shunt and the footlocker though, as the footlocker has seperate cams, it allows you to body thrust as well as using it to footlock.

I just heard that mechanical ascenders are not allowed to be used in the aerial rescue at the TCC, or at least it wasn't allowed two years ago in the MWTCC, This seems screwy as i heard Dan Kraus used a Mar Bar upper in his aerial rescue this year. i'm trying to come up w/ my plan, but small inconsistencies w/ what is allowed from chapter to chapter are really throwing my journey off coarse. ARGGHHHH!

 

[Tim Gardner]

Originally posted by rumination
The shunt looks pretty useful. Too bad it won't accomodate 1/2" line.

Tim, do you use the Fly, and if so what size tress cord do you use with it?

I had been using a 3/8" line to enter a tree but when I changed over to The Fly I just began using the tail of it to enter. That way my VT (5/16” tress cord) is ready to go when I get there. The Shunt will act like a climbing hitch/slack tender on 1/2” line. Maybe not like a VT but well enough for a fast double crotch.

 

[Tim Gardner]

Originally posted by TreeJunkie
Tim, are you using the shunt w/ 1/2''?? The shunt is only designed for up to 11mm, as someone else said, here the problem w/ the fly, it may be listed as 11 mm, however when i compare it's diameter to my 11mm km111, it's drastically larger. i'd say fly is closer to 12mm, There are differences between the shunt and the footlocker though, as the footlocker has seperate cams, it allows you to body thrust as well as using it to footlock.

The Shunt works just fine with The Fly. Why would you want to body thrust on a doubled entry line?

 

[TreeJunkie]

Tim, i'm not saying that i would, this is just one way it was demonstated at TCI, i personally wouldn't

 

[TreeJunkie]

Is the shunt's instillation onto the line just the same as a microscender? i'm worried about ease of install, as i heard this is a problem w/ the footlocker

 

[rumination]

It looks like the shunt can be easily installed midline. Check out the PDF on this page.

http://www.petzl.com/petzl/Produit?Produit=116&Conseil=&Activite=&Famille=&SousFamille=&News=

 

[Tim Gardner]

TJ, like stephenbullman wrote “…you can put it on and off in seconds”.

 

[TreeJunkie]

Thanks for the link, that looks pretty simple, and nothing to lose, like the microscender.

 

[rumination]

Tim, if you wouldn't mind fielding one more question about the shunt. It sounds like you're using it a little bit out of the parameters endorsed by Petzl, which is OK by me. Do you think the shunt would work for footlocking a doubled half inch line, or is that really pushing the limit too much?

Thanks.

 

[rumination]

Rocky,

Did you look at the technical information provided on the petzl link I posted? The shunt DOES accomodate two ropes.

"Technical specifications :

For use on single rope (10 to 11 mm) or double (8 to 11 mm).
188 g"

Take a look at the PDF on that page for more detailed info on how to use the device.

 

[Tim Gardner]

The thing I have been wondering is because the Shunt functions so well on 3/8” and 7/16” line why has someone not produced one the works with 1/2"?