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I also like to help out but I will have to say that it maybe because I am selfish. Makes me feel good to do it, so there you go. We live in a heavily oak timbered neighborhood and a lot of people know that I cut up trees so I will usually get the nod if we have a bad windstorm and a huge oak fell over. Sometimes they let me keep the wood, sometimes they don't. Don't really care either way as long as I get some good chainsaw time and maybe a beer or two.

Only turned down one neighbor. (his son, 8 years old and his friend) put a knife to my sons (five years old) throat and threatened him with it. He was surprised when I told him to go F**K himself. Can't believe he would even ask, especially after the police paid him and his son a visit.

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What a thread, and what a bunch of quality people. Most of you I'm somewhat familiar with, so I'm certainly not surprised. This type of discussion is why I've been spending more time here on the firewood forum and less over on the chain saw side. There's 500,000 posts over there and 50% of it is just arguing about saws.

Code of ethics in my area is that highway crew stuff that is left by the side of the road is fair game. If there is no house in sight, I'll just grab it. But if it's right in front of someones house, I'll go to the door and ask, as I figure that they should have first shot at it. Last year I got 4 good loads that way. Ladie in the house told me that not only could I take the stuff that was dropped by the tree company, but I could take anything that was down on the property.

I've got a little thing going on this year regarding helping people with their firewood. It's mostly people that I know, at least to some degree, but I've set a bit of a goal that I will help 10 people in some way this year. I'm not a person who has the patience to get involved with some kind of "group" that does a lot of talking, but little else. And I've always felt that a lot of "programs" fail because they try to spread the net to wide and get nothing. No, I can't keep the whole town warm, but I can help a few folks.

Mostly, it would be something like helping somebody cut up their log length firewood, which I've already done a couple of times. I have had some of the reactions that some of you guys mentioned. You get a "why would you want to help me" funny look. I've roped in a couple of others by saying "Hey, let's go over to Karls' house and nail that pile of wood, then have a couple of beers. Kind of a firewood party. One guy has a portable wood fired pizza oven that he made on an old trailer that is a hoot to cook on. It can be a good time and gets that "neighbor helping neighbor" thing going that seems to have gone as out of fashion as dial telephones.
 
Many Hands

Remember that many hands makes for lighter lifting. My next door neighbor broke his mower so I did his lawn with my tractor. He wanted to know what he could do, i replied that he could help me with my firewood for a couple hours and we'd have a few beers after. I'm selfish too. I like helping people out because it makes ME happy to help someone out. It's funny=> of all the people who came by the pool for Jimmy Buffett tunes and Coronas all summer, only one person has offered to help me out with firewood in the Fall.
That's OK because it's therepy for me!:givebeer:
 
On that street;

3 generations ago, everyone knew the surrounding streets

2 generations ago, everyone knew the street.

1 generation ago, everyone knew their neighbor.

Current generation, Nobody knows anybody.

Lonelyville
 
abut neighbors... we have one that is here part time she is from D.C. and only spends weekends or so out on her property. apparently she has 'upset' the neighbor on the other side to put it lightly... and now the latest thing.. the farmer that tills her land brought her a paper from the local NRCS office.. saying that he tills the land. she wont sign it she is taking it to a lawyer... the paper is self explanatory .. all it is it just says he tills the land.. she gripes about other neighbors... and the farmer told her "you have to be a good neighbor to have good neighbors. " that is the just of the problems that are cropping up with people from the big cities moving out into the country and then complaining its not the Norman Rockwell picture postcard they think it is...
 
Excellent testimonies...!

I didn't think this thread would generate this many responses but it's nice to see it did. You all seem like you'd be real good neighbors to have!
 
What a crew !!:clap: :clap:
I knew there was class around here. Big, fat, sweaty GROUP HUG...not so bad for this group. +1. :cheers: :cheers: ...and thx. Made my day.
 
Thanks for the kind words avalancher. I'm 48 and I remember when it was ok to help your neighbor if you saw he needed help. Or when a handshake was enough to close a deal. Nowadays folks are so wary of each other and hesitant to get to know each other. The world is in a sad state but like you said the folks on this board come across as very helpful, very knowledgeable, very hard working, very funny sometimes, and very friendly. Looking at some of the pictures some of you guys post of where you live really makes me long for the country life away from all the noise and calamity of the city.
Oh well...maybe one day.

I have to say, Buffalo is an overly conservative city, too much so for its own good, and I don't mean politics (so don't start that argument). However, we are known as the "City of good neighbors", and its absolutely true. I' live outside the city, but its even more true out in the boonies. We help each other after snow storms, shoveling each other out, plowing snow, pulling people out of snow banks and/or ditches, clearing sidewalks, and so on. After big storms, we help each other get cleaned out, running saws, clearing brush, patching up houses and so on. Even when I was young, I used to help my buddies grandparents bale hay, I still do it to this day for them, and I don't ask anything in return besides the traditional good home cooked meal his grandma always makes for us.

My father moved to main street when him and my mother split way back when, I couldn't stand it. To this day I don't really like spending too much time there, his neighbors constantly call the cops for bonfires, chimney smoke (from the fireplace), noise complaints (we aren't loud past 10, and its usually just guys drinking beer in the bar room), and other BS they can whine about. Instead of coming over and asking us to do something, they avoid all contact and just call it in. How neighborly! Needless to say, after trying to help them clean up their yard after a storm and getting screwed (I'll explain in a minute), I don't do anything for them besides smile and wave when I drive by.

What they did to me after our October storm a few years back, was call the state troopers and have me ticketed for trespassing. I was in their yard, with the saw, about 3 in the afternoon, cutting up the bigger chunks so they could move them without killing themselves (they're a bit older, and not in great shape). So I'm moving some stuff, cutting up some of the bigger branches and a Trooper roll's up and because they pushed, he had to issue me a ticket to appear in court. They accused me of trespassing (which is legit, but honestly, a guy is trying to help you out and thats how you thank him?), and stealing firewood. Now I didn't move anything besides brush so I could cut more of the crap that was buried underneath it. Well since I golf with the town judge, he knows what kind of person I am. We showed up to court, and he thoroughly reprimanded THEM for causing trouble and wasting tax-payers money sending a trooper out there. Then he told them that even though I did it as volunteer work, they really should at least give me payment for fuel and wear and tear (I think he was just rubbing it in), but I never saw a dime (go figure).

Some people get it, some people don't.
 
around where i live in such a small town everyone helps everyone out. If someone needs a little help there are all kinds of people who would be happy to lend a hand. A good example is when someone is really sick and in the hospital the town usually hosts some kind of benefit dinner. if you were to stop by you would see half the town there, and the other half is standing outside waiting to get in. Its really nice to know the person across the street and up the road, i cant imagine living in a place where i didnt know anyone, it would feel very lonely to me.
 
I have always tried to be the helpful kind, and have always enjoyed helping people broke down along the road. Not anymore.
My last year in Alabama I stopped for a woman who had hydroed off the highway onto the shoulder, buried in the mud. I asked her if she needed help. She told me that she had called a wrecker over an hour ago. i said no problem.
Backed my old Bronco down to the front of her car, dropped a tow line around her bumper mount, dropped into 4 low and dragged her back up on to the highway.
I then got out and unhitched and she came around to the front of her car. She pointed to the busted up spoiler under car and said "hey, you wrecked my car!!"
I pointed out that she had torn it loose when she left the road, a piece of it was still on the highway 50 ft back down the road. She called the cops. i was going to just haul on out of there, but she stepped in front of my truck. A minute later a state trooper showed up.
We both explained what was going on, and he told me that if she wanted to take me to court she would probably win, and I needed to hand over my license and insurance information.
I told him to take a hike and out came the mace. He told me to hand it over, or I would face going to jail. Again, I explained what was happening and pointed to the piece of her car laying down the highway. He repeated his request and began shaking the mace can.
i told him "tell you what, you call your supervisor here, and if they agree with you that it was my fault, then I will hand it over with no more problems.
15 minutes later he showed up, talked to the first cop, went back and looked at the piece on the highway, and told me to scram.
That was the very last time I have ever stopped to help anyone. I am cured of the good samaritin business. May not be right, but a guy cant just keep taking chances. I also dont expect anyone to stop and help me.
 
I have to say, So I'm moving some stuff, cutting up some of the bigger branches and a Trooper roll's up and because they pushed, he had to issue me a ticket to appear in court.

That is unbelievable!! It amazes me how ornery some folks can be. Good thing you and the judge are pals. Would loved to have seen the look on their faces when the judge put the hammer down!!
 
When frannces or jenne went thru here a few years back it did a lot of damage and knocked out the electric everywhere i had a 10000w generator and about 60 gallons of gas,so,i helped my neighbor out and ran him a few extension cords and water.after a few days gas was getting low and nowhere to get it.He drives a semi so he said he'd look for gas.he came home one day with a drum of gas and a generator,i said kool,i'm almost out. Then he had the nerve to tell me where he got it 5 hours away and that he needs all the gas he has,have a nice day.I have'nt talked to him since:mad:
 
When frannces or jenne went thru here a few years back it did a lot of damage and knocked out the electric everywhere i had a 10000w generator and about 60 gallons of gas,so,i helped my neighbor out and ran him a few extension cords and water.after a few days gas was getting low and nowhere to get it.He drives a semi so he said he'd look for gas.he came home one day with a drum of gas and a generator,i said kool,i'm almost out. Then he had the nerve to tell me where he got it 5 hours away and that he needs all the gas he has,have a nice day.I have'nt talked to him since:mad:

Got a fix for a neighbor like that. spread a little sugar around the opening of his fuel tank on his truck, and leave a half a bag of sugar under the fuel tank. Make sure you dont get any in the fuel tank. Watch his face when he finds the sugar, and laugh when the wrecker shows up to haul his truck in for a fuel tank flushing.
I had to resort to this trick some years ago when our neighbor kept stealing my gas cans out of the backyard. I hate to keep fuel in the shop, and he would always search around my yard in the dark until he found my gas cans and empty them for me.
After he paid the 300 bucks for the unnesecary fuel tank flushing he called the cops. the cop laughed so hard when he got there when I told him in private that I did that to put a stop to him stealing my gas that I thought he was going to pass out. Gave me a pat on the back and told the guy that there was no proof that I did it. Refused to take the sugar bag in for fingerprinting and left laughing.
 
So far as the "etiquette" part, if doing work at another person's house or on their land (for free or pay)...

Before felling any trees, ask if there are any underground lines like water/sprinklers which could be damaged by a falling tree. Or water spigots hidden in weeds.

Ask if you can drive your truck on the lawn or whatever to the area where the trees are. Some people do not want any vehicles driving on their lawn. Ask if there are any underground lawn sprinklers (don't drive on these).

Before cutting up any down wood, tell them there will be a lot of saw chips created by the sawing and ask if this is OK.

Tell them the sawing will be loud and dangerous, that if a chain breaks, it could go flying and hurt someone standing nearby. So best to keep small children and pets inside.

Don't ask to use their bathroom unless they offer. Some people are paranoid about "germs". Some women watch too much TV and think every man is a rapist or chainsaw murderer and are afraid to let anyone in their house. So use the "facilities" outside or find a bathroom elsewhere. (One recent job I did was at a rental house. The landlord brought in a port-a-potty just for the guys working on the trees!)

If you have to pack out the wood, discuss this with the homeowner first. Repeated trips with a wheelbarrow or a hand truck carrying heavy wood can do a lot of damage to a yard! Ask what the best route is. Those "weeds" growing over there might be their garden.
 
So far as the "etiquette" part, if doing work at another person's house or on their land (for free or pay)...

Before felling any trees, ask if there are any underground lines like water/sprinklers which could be damaged by a falling tree. Or water spigots hidden in weeds.

Ask if you can drive your truck on the lawn or whatever to the area where the trees are. Some people do not want any vehicles driving on their lawn. Ask if there are any underground lawn sprinklers (don't drive on these).

Before cutting up any down wood, tell them there will be a lot of saw chips created by the sawing and ask if this is OK.

Tell them the sawing will be loud and dangerous, that if a chain breaks, it could go flying and hurt someone standing nearby. So best to keep small children and pets inside.

Don't ask to use their bathroom unless they offer. Some people are paranoid about "germs". Some women watch too much TV and think every man is a rapist or chainsaw murderer and are afraid to let anyone in their house. So use the "facilities" outside or find a bathroom elsewhere. (One recent job I did was at a rental house. The landlord brought in a port-a-potty just for the guys working on the trees!)

If you have to pack out the wood, discuss this with the homeowner first. Repeated trips with a wheelbarrow or a hand truck carrying heavy wood can do a lot of damage to a yard! Ask what the best route is. Those "weeds" growing over there might be their garden.

Good post. Good insight about the germ thing. I've found that those commercials for Lysol or whatever really work on a fundamental level with women - the ads that show the close-up microscopic view of the computer generated germs that reside on your kitchen counter, bathroom sink, and the grocer's shopping cart.

Last comment is good as well and one I take to heart when on another's property, as well as my own. When using a wheelbarrow, the wheel mats down the grass. I try not to go over the same matted pat twice.
 
I have always tried to be the helpful kind, and have always enjoyed helping people broke down along the road. Not anymore.
My last year in Alabama I stopped for a woman who had hydroed off the highway onto the shoulder, buried in the mud. I asked her if she needed help. She told me that she had called a wrecker over an hour ago. i said no problem.
Backed my old Bronco down to the front of her car, dropped a tow line around her bumper mount, dropped into 4 low and dragged her back up on to the highway.
I then got out and unhitched and she came around to the front of her car. She pointed to the busted up spoiler under car and said "hey, you wrecked my car!!"
I pointed out that she had torn it loose when she left the road, a piece of it was still on the highway 50 ft back down the road. She called the cops. i was going to just haul on out of there, but she stepped in front of my truck. A minute later a state trooper showed up.
We both explained what was going on, and he told me that if she wanted to take me to court she would probably win, and I needed to hand over my license and insurance information.
I told him to take a hike and out came the mace. He told me to hand it over, or I would face going to jail. Again, I explained what was happening and pointed to the piece of her car laying down the highway. He repeated his request and began shaking the mace can.
i told him "tell you what, you call your supervisor here, and if they agree with you that it was my fault, then I will hand it over with no more problems.
15 minutes later he showed up, talked to the first cop, went back and looked at the piece on the highway, and told me to scram.
That was the very last time I have ever stopped to help anyone. I am cured of the good samaritin business. May not be right, but a guy cant just keep taking chances. I also dont expect anyone to stop and help me.

I had a experience similar to that, I was in my 78 bronco with locking axles and 35" gumbo mudders, stopped to help a guy out that had slid off the road on black ice and was in the snowbank, I backed up to him and told him to hook it wherever he wants but to make sure it is solid, well I gave it a tug and off came the bumper, this guy starts screaming and throwng a fit about how "I" am going to have to pay for it and that he is calling the cops, so I told him to go fornicate with himself and just left dragging his bumper down the road behind me, I stopped about a mile down the road and threw it in the back and went on my way
 

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