Future Fuel

[fubar2]

I really dont know enough about it to argue with you but couldnt that be said about any fuel? I mean youve got to refine crude to get gasoline, gotta cook up your shine to get ethanol. Everything has a certain amount of cost.

 

[bwalker]

I mean youve got to refine crude to get gasoline, gotta cook up your shine to get ethanol. Everything has a certain amount of cost.

Ethanol is a loser to. Crude oil isnt. Just ask Exxon/Mobil..
To reword it a differant way. Hydrogen and ethonal take more energy to produce them than what the yield.

 

[chowdozer]

In the PNW, hydroelectric dams are being torn down to preserve salmon habitat. I think there are two on the Snake, Cushman was supposed to have been torn down several years ago because it was built in the 20's and didn't have a fish ladder. There's another dam on the peninsula that was being torn down, can't remember the name. The land was to be given back to the indians. That's four hydroelectrics.

Last I was in Yuma, the solar steam plant there was going to expand by several hundred percent.

Wind generators are sitting idle in Arizona and California because no one has contracted to buy the power. There are several ridge lines in the Dakota's that have an average wind speed of around 20 mph that don't have generators on them. Farmers want them because they pay a good lease and tide them in a bad crop year. The Columbia Gorge has a constant wind, but wind gennie's are considered unsightly and they harm birds. Some of these windmills generate 1.5 mw or more.

This country has an electric power surplus, it's just not being utilized. Most likely big business and politics.


Here's a windfarm in Washington that's just popped up in the last several years.

A row of windmills of the Stateline Windfarm south of the Walla Walla
Valley; this is currently the largest windfarm in the world. Note: the dark green
boxes below the windmills are two meters high!

 

[fubar2]

Tell ya what, Id be glad to pay more and burn some of that loser fuel just to deprive the Arabs and Mobil Exxon boys out of their cut.

 

[bwalker]

Most likely big business and politics.

Of course it is.

Tell ya what, Id be glad to pay more and burn some of that loser fuel just to deprive the Arabs and Mobil Exxon boys out of their cut.

I would like to see you deprive Exxon Mobil. If they caught wind of alternative fuels taking over they would be the worlds largest alternative producer in no time flat.
I dont like to pay more. i wont to pay the leats amount possible regardless of where its from.

 

[04ultra]

Birds get killed from wind gennies. What about the birds that get killed by planes ,busses,trucks,cars and my picture window. On with the WINDPOWER...

 

[PWB]

We don't water corn around here, nature does it. As for the subsidies, the US has been supporting the farmers big time compared to Canada. Dumping product across the border at less than the cost of production too. Farmers here can't sell thier corn to our local ethanol plant because the company can buy it from the US government and transport it here cheaper than it can be grown! Nothing wrong with ethanol as a fuel, just requires different technology. Different parts in carb, seals, etc. Bigger jets too! Same goes for biodiesel, diffferent seals in the pump, etc., but it works.

 

[whatsnext]

Hydrogen is not a fuel, it is an energy storage medium. Breaking hydrogen's molecular bonds require more energy than you get back by recombining it. It has something to do with an old timey concept called the conservation of energy. The reason we have so much water on the planet is because that is hydrogen's most stable form. So, don't hold your breath waiting for some catylist to appear because if one exsisted we wouldn't have so much water around. North America has more than enough coal to keep us going for centuries. That's the fuel of the future.
John...

 

[16:1mix]

North America has more than enough coal to keep us going for centuries. That's the fuel of the future.
John...

Anybody know where I can pick up a good deal on a Stanley Steamer?


(snicker)

 

[whatsnext]

Anybody know where I can pick up a good deal on a Stanley Steamer?


(snicker)

There will be no reason to burn coal outright so you might want to hold off on the Stanley. The chemists will have their way and you'll be pouring it straight into your car's tank.

 

[stihlatit]

Well you asked and here it is the future of fuel. Put a chicken in your tank and check this chit out.

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/methane_bate.html

Forget the coal I think we should help the chicken farmer get rid of his methane. You haveto love the article in the above quote. A few shovels of chit in a oil barrel with some anodes and away we go. Read it for a good laugh.
Arnie