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[mikecross23]

Someone pm'ed me and asked me a question that brought a thought to mind. Here it is.

What's up ****,
I don't know who this ******** guy is. I look through most every thread but when folks start arguing or "actin' a fool", I just skim through and leave it alone. He does seem to get off by acting boastful and full off himself. I wish people would learn to accept constructive criticism and realize that when you get a few negative responses, well, maybe there is a problem w/ your tecnique, idea, method, biz practices, or what ever. That's the key to learning from each other on this site. Accept that we don't know everything and listen. If you are sure you're way is the right way, then ignore the advice and post a follow up of how you did it. I won't respond or inquire to a person that acts arrogant or aggressive, it's just not my style!

Well, you inspired a thought so i finished it. I'm going to make a thread out of it.

Happy Climbing folks! ! !

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

That is exactly what we want to see.

If someone acts ignorant, it serves no purpose by coming in with a snappy comeback. You may look ignorant yourself, and/or create a tit for tat dustup that will detract from everyone elses experiance.

Wich will cause me to delete those parts

If one feels a need to respond we ask that it be done privately with email or PM's. Also it would be best if it were done with a freindly nudge and request, not a brow beating sermon on how childish the offender is acting.

Even if you are right, there is no reason to be snotty about it.

Try to act mature, if you feel emotional about something, then read it before you submit it.

 

[Jock]

My opinion of this site; Its good, some interesting subjects come up, but there is a hint of what we call (clique) I'm not the only one who has noticed this i've spoken to several people who think its solely an american site, If you happen to say the wrong thing by the listeners standards then BOOM, you are shot to pieces, usually only by a very small minority. I personally am not an aggressive person or unfair to my employee's, but i am a business man, and need to work on a profit, and cant be taken to the cleaners each week, I am not in the learning curve,as i've been doing this job a long time now and dont have to put up with bad workmanship, its bad for your business and reputation, so i'll keep the reputation and the business and watch from the sidelines from now on and wont bother you with my thoughts on the subject, nor will I piss off any of your friends, but i will make one final suggestion to the minority and thats to take your head out of your arse and start living in the real world and at least try to listen before spitting out the dummy! Thank you for taking the time to read this post, Jock......

 

[Jock]

Just looked at your war and terrorism thread; You mention 9/11 I remember that day clearly, did any of the individuals or companies donate time or offer time to undertake tree work within the confinements of the disaster area? In and around the 20th Sept, I emailed Cynthia Mills of the NAA and offered to send out 2 climbers if and when they decided emergency tree work may be required, I also suggested something along the lines of the possibility of commemorative tree planting, I dont know whether any of this work was carried out, the offer my company made was volutary,flights men were to be supplied as a mark of respect, at absolutely no expense to anyone other than my company, perhaps someone might be polite enough to give me an answer, as the NAA responded to my email but I never heard anymore of what work if any was carried out in and around the 9/11 disaster site..Jock

 

[Joe]

Jock: The U.S.A. did more for themselves after 9/11 than you've been informed. Tree plantings galore took place in memory of 9/11 along with work in nearby parks. Tree crews pulled debris out of trees as they repaired them after that event. Yes, the American arborist community cared enough to pitch in on the cleanup after that tragedy.

For the most part you're correct, this site is frequented mostly by americans. People like yourself can make this a more cosmopolitan type site only if you choose to contribute. But, as you and I are learning, we still need to consider our cultural differences. We still share the common interest of trees and tree work.

Joe

 

[Jock]

Ok JPS You are an arborist? DTE?Are you????Mikeross???? you? Joe ? You? are you guys actually arborists are are you using this site as an excuse? I certainly hope you are judging by your answers, I as a Scottish citizen would also like a straight answer!! not ....well i partially agree with what Jock says....BUT... as an AMERICAN!!!!! Imust be correct!!!! Ok just give us the truth here, Are some of you wannabe Arborists or just part time climbers? or will i or we just get the same confusing answer , i reckon it'll be the latter, not sure why ? but its an instinct! If this post manages to make it without deletion, and i manage for once to get a straight answer then i can assure you you wont ever hear from Jock again.........Jock

 

[Joe]

I'm ansering your question as a gesture of good will. 20 +/- years in the treecare industry. I specialized in the climbing aspect of it.

I'd rather hear from jock the arborist and how jock the arborist approaches tree care. If it's about safety or techniques, then I bet jock the arborist deals with these issues in a scottish way. I bet jock the arborist may even buy scottish made equipment, but only jock the arborist can answer these questions if others are interested in learning about jock the arborist's equipment. Jock the arborist mentioned the NAA. Does this mean jock the arborist is learning from the NAA?

Are the trees jock the arborist works with the same or different than american trees? If jock the arborist mentons an experience he had with a tree of some type, jock the arborist will be letting other arborists know what types of trees he works with and if there is a difference. If there is a difference or the trees are the same, then other arborists may find it interesting and view jock as an arborist who approaches different things differently or approaches the same thing in the same way.

Joe

 

[mikecross23]

Howdy! ! !

Jock,
to answer your question, no, I do not consider myself an arborist (not yet anyway). I do consider myself an avid enthusiast who is out to make a dollar and do the job the most efficient way I possibly can. I am a rookie at this tree climbing stuff. I participate on this site out of interest in LEARNING and to hopefully become a successful arborist one day. I am young and aspire to be sitting where you are as an accomplished long time arborist with a successful business.

"If this post manages to make it without deletion, and i manage for once to get a straight answer then i can assure you you wont ever hear from Jock again........."

Jock, I sense some hostility in your post that I am responding to.
That is what I'm refering too. I (we) don't want you to leave arborist site, but it would be nice to hear your positive WORK RELATED thoughts.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not out to get you.

Forgot to mention, that was a darn honorable thing you did by offering to send a few climbers over in the 9/11 aftermath.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[mikecross23]

one more thing. . .

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. So if it sucks, then just leave it alone. I'm out!

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Am i an arborist? Yes

Do i climb 6 days a week? Not any more.

Do I make most of my living from treework? Yes.

I do not pick on people from different countries, just people who come in here and call other people idiots. You can call me one as much as you want, but if there is language in a post that will start these little back and forth dustups, I will remove it.

If one disagrees with a idea, opinion or method; say so in a professional fashion.

Whether they come from Scotland, Cali for Florida, I will encourage people to act like adults, privately. On both sides of an argument.

If I send an email asking someone to tone it down, I have usuealy sent a similar email to another party.

As I have said before, there have been people who have not come back here because of the atitudes others have expressed. This is one of the resons Darin asked me to moderate.

Th majority of us want to hear input from as wide of a circle as possible, but we want to discuss things as adults.

 

[D]

I realize americans usually get accused of being clique-ish. I guess it may be by our attitudes. As an american, I have very close net friends, (usually called cliques) but am tired of the attitude of the other side of we don't like people not like us. Who cares if you are Canadian, Scotish, Black, Blue or Iraqi, if you are professional on how you come across, usually there is no problem. There is always one in every group that is a total ass. This comes on both sides of the block. Jock, I see as a Scotish citizen you want a straight answer. As an American I would like one too. I bet Dennis in Canada wants straight answers. What makes you any different then anyone else on here? Do you think since we are from different countries, we can't relate? I can't relate with all the tree work that we talk about here. Palm trees? I live in Denver. No palm trees here. I know you are in the same boat. I read the posts cause that interests me to know about others businesses. If you think you are so different, talk to minorities here. They think they are different. The only thing that makes them different. Is that they think they are different. I was born with a brain, so were you and so were they. Use them and there won't be any problems. What I am getting at, is this is a place to learn. There are plenty of want a be tree climbers. When you started what made you different from these guys? Nothing. Some on here are what I consider experts. They can mentor these guys. I really don't know enough about you to tell what area of expertise, but can tell you that you, throughout your life, they are no different than any of these guys on a want to learn basis.

I realize there are a few guys on here that don't follow the mold I pictured from you all above. We have some guys that think they know everything. These are the guys that always seem to have conflicts on this site. Everyone's opinion on here is valued, but if you don't respect others opinions and bash them, then you must go. Hopefully my bantering makes sense to all.

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

i relish and brag on the fact that present models and understandings are shared and tested on a world wide basis. i have long looked to moutaineering/ rescue disciplines especialy of Euro descent; i think a few of us here have.

There are quiet minds that have passed thru here, that have found the turbulence to harsh, i think that is really a shame; for everyone has something to offer, a diffrent point of relfection. Minds from diffent cultures can tend to attack similar problems from diffrent angles, each learning and reinforcing things in each other's after years of evolution of thought and practice. As far as clique-ish; i don't know, perhaps peoples with similar backgrounds seem bound together. i think it is only natural, that those that have know of each other on other boards etc. have a familiarity also.

Um, "shot to pieces"; what's that like? :Eye:

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Jock,

I'd sure like to hear from you about how things are different in Scotland and the UK. I've gotten my feathers singed here at AS more than once. It's not an issue of nationality, its an issue of attitude.

The first time I saw U2 in concert, Bono was prancing around the stage with a white flag. This symbolized no nationality. Just people. Why not consider that idea. If arbos were to wave a flag I think it would probably be green though. The longer we wave national flags the longer it'll be an us versus them world. If we're talking world politics that might be the case.

Let't talk trees, climbing and chainsaws. Leave the flags at the door.

Tom

PS I'm from Minnesota and JPS still lets me post.

 

[D]

Minnesota???? JPS are you a sleep.

I agree, on this site flags should be nothing more than just fabric.

I hope you look at this as constructive criticism and not bashing you.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I've never understood that sports animosity thing, some people actualy take it seriously.

Though I have had the urge to call people when the Bronc's get their butts kicked.

Seriousely, the thing I cannot understand is why some people cannot offer a rational opinion without calling others idiots, slackers or hacks.

I do find it amusing that the ones who are so ready to use that language are the ones who are so likely to take umbrage when they preseave that language being used in their general direction. Which, of course leads to these petty little tit for tat exchanges.

Civil, professional discourse is producitve.

 

[Jock]

Ok Guys, Green flags are up, and Danny boy, congratulations on your long succesful business venture, some businesses dont even last 11 years, in this harsh environment, and I wish you all the best in your new career as a forester. Jock.

 

[budroe69moni]

awwwwwwww

i don't know about you but i'm getting all kinds
of "warm and fuzzy" down here

budroe

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Must be a catapiller in you burbon

 

[budroe69moni]

JPS,
who the hell is burbon???????
budroe

 

[treeclimber165]

Budroe-
You can't translate JPSpeak yet? 'burbon' is bourbon, but he MEANS Captain Morgan rum! Are you sailing with the Captain tonight?