This is a good site and like all sites people get needled......we can take it...I personally admire Dans honesty, he calls me names....I can handle that, although I admit I got a little cheeky in return, (Sorry Dan) I also admit this business can get a little stressing from time to time,I should know i've been in it over 20 years and had my moments, but one thing i would advise all you guys is .....dont quit....hang in there ....dont sell up cause things are tough, if you need further education, you can do it , believe me, I did my degree in Arb while managing 10 employees and 4 squads of 4 sub-contractors, it was tough, but so are some of you guys, so hang on to that business and your love for tree's, and never consider quitting for profit....it's only money, it may make things easier but it wont always make you happy. Keep this industry alive with your knowledge of tree's, and dont just use it for a few years, to get through a difficult stage in your life, then throw it by the wayside, because you are just fooling yourselves .....no one else.....Jock.