GRCS Job Pics.

[Nailsbeats]

Well I got some pics today of a job we are doing and using the GRCS. My dad took the shots and he ain't no cameraman, so it is what it is. Maybe will use it tommorow on a removal I haven't seen yet, bro can climb and I will get some good shots of what's going on.

Here goes. These are the 3 Silver Maples we are hacking on, they were topped hard at one time and had a lot of hollow trunks. We approached it with the "take the stuff that isn't sound and try to make a tree out of the rest" mentality.

We took down the fence, phone and had a power drop. We got 2 done today and will get no. 3 later as it is over the parking lot and doesn't need a drop.

 

[Nailsbeats]

2 more pics.

 

[rbtree]

I hate to be critical, Nails, but was that gaffs I saw on the climber? on a prune job.....? And, boy, I'd surely not let groundies be under a poorly structured tree sans PPE.....

 

[Nailsbeats]

Yeah it was me, I was spiking it. I wouldn't call it a prune, it was dang near a removal, I had a full 30' gooseneck of wood out of two trees, not really prunning in my book. We advised the guy to take them down, but he wanted them the way he got'em, and I do what I'm told.

 

[LTREES]

Your not suppose to spike old silvers that have been hat racked before, over the house, next to the fence, pool, dead beat cars, nasty rotten tin sheds.
:yourock:
Spike that (prune) silver, can't kill it or give it bugs. I always ask first though.
To the camera man
:camera:

 

[ddhlakebound]

We advised the guy to take them down, but he wanted them the way he got'em, and I do what I'm told.

The customer will usually end up getting what they want, you have no control of that. You do have control of what jobs you'll accept and do. One of the great (or horrible) things about tree work is that you can see the good, the bad, and the ugly for a long time to come.

Your work will stand, staring god and everyone in the face, either building up or tearing down the reputation you're working to build. It's your name on the job, do as you wish. No disrespect either, but I suspect you knew how this job was going to end up looking. Would have been a good one to pass on after the owner would'nt listen to good advice.

Nice work with the GRCS though....some of those limbs looked pretty large. Any concerns with your rig point in that previously mistreated maple?

Agree with RB on the PPE...don't let 'em out of wearing head protection, it's their safety and your reputation.

Lastly, if you do have to take this job, then spike it, I don't think I'd pick it as the job to show the world your GRCS in action.....there are lots of people watching you, set a good example for them.

Spike that (prune) silver, can't kill it or give it bugs. I always ask first though.

And just because the homeowner doesn't know any difference, you'll go ahead and spike it...

Those things decay fast enough already, but if you think it needs fifty or a hundred more infection sites for decay organisms, then by all means, do your thing. After all, there would be no "good" treework, if there was'nt so much "bad" treework.

Use spikes when they're justified...on removals.

This whole spiking prunes thing is just :deadhorse:

 

[Climbing Cutter]

How about pics of the finished work. Did you cut all the leads back like you are doing in the last pic? I'm pretty sure the spikes are the least of that trees problems.

 

[Nailsbeats]

On the rigging, I set up two blocks to bear the load with no problems. That way I could swap ends of the bull rope for working both sides of the tree. I had a groundman spot them while we cranked on them to make sure they stayed stable.

I am new to all this GRCS and blocks thing so we watch and learn. The thing about treework is you never really know, it's all educated guessing and evaluating as you go. Keeps it exciting and every tree/situation is different.

On my tree we cut everything that was hollow, all the side weight, then reduced the crown.

On my brothers tree he did mostly the same, but without the full crown reduction.

One tree left to do, then I will get pics of the finnished deal.

On a side note: the whole perfect treeman picking and choosing what he wants to do don't fly with me, I try to make the best of what I have to work with and never walk away from a job for the trees sake. The only answer anybody has for having to do a job that they know won't be perfect, "just walk away", well I won't. I have my opinions, but when the orders are given, I soldier up and get it done.

 

[treemandan]

I hate to be critical, Nails, but was that gaffs I saw on the climber? on a prune job.....? And, boy, I'd surely not let groundies be under a poorly structured tree sans PPE.....

Oh stop you old coot. Honestly, I didn't know people lived to be as old as you til I met ya.
Last time I was just asking about the slack in his pulley rope, from what it looked he was standing on a pole ( just a regular pole) resting his chin on what appeared to be a section he just dropped.
I know guys who do that all the time, they are real tough and they don't care.
One thing I noticed though is not one of you out there said one thing about "my dogs" and their PPE, I wonder why?

 

[Nailsbeats]

Because they weren't doing anything Dan. Nice workboots! lol.

 

[treemandan]

You have to stress the importance of good photos to your dad... he probably don't care, maybe busy.
I would have like to see more, so would The Dan.
Actually, right now I am argueing with him because he keeps telling me that if he were doing that job you would NOT have to go back to finish but I told him its hard to tell in the pics. He also said something about doing more of a rope climb thing and popping those limbs out in pieces aimed at the ground. What do you want me to tell him Nails?

Good work, I would like to see how the one piece you had notched came out.

 

[reachtreeservi]

On a side note: the whole perfect treeman picking and choosing what he wants to do don't fly with me, I try to make the best of what I have to work with and never walk away from a job for the trees sake. The only answer anybody has for having to do a job that they know won't be perfect, "just walk away", well I won't. I have my opinions, but when the orders are given, I soldier up and get it done.

I agree with you 100% Nails.

For the tree sake, please..... Gimme a break.

What's next ? Tree rights, Vegetable rights. Kitchen cabinet rights?


The tree is an inanimate object that is a possession of the homeowner.
Whatever he wants done with it, gets done.
You do the best you can for him, and then get paid.

Thanks for the pics!

 

[treemandan]

I agree with you 100% Nails.

For the tree sake, please..... Gimme a break.

What's next ? Tree rights, Vegetable rights. Kitchen cabinet rights?


The tree is an inanimate object that is a possession of the homeowner.
Whatever he wants done with it, gets done.
You do the best you can for him, and then get paid.

Thanks for the pics!

They ain't to inanimate when I am around. But still they move and I bet we humans are to stupid to understand their feelings.

 

[treemandan]

On the rigging, I set up two blocks to bear the load with no problems. That way I could swap ends of the bull rope for working both sides of the tree. I had a groundman spot them while we cranked on them to make sure they stayed stable.

I am new to all this GRCS and blocks thing so we watch and learn. The thing about treework is you never really know, it's all educated guessing and evaluating as you go. Keeps it exciting and every tree/situation is different.

On my tree we cut everything that was hollow, all the side weight, then reduced the crown.

On my brothers tree he did mostly the same, but without the full crown reduction.

One tree left to do, then I will get pics of the finnished deal.

On a side note: the whole perfect treeman picking and choosing what he wants to do don't fly with me, I try to make the best of what I have to work with and never walk away from a job for the trees sake. The only answer anybody has for having to do a job that they know won't be perfect, "just walk away", well I won't. I have my opinions, but when the orders are given, I soldier up and get it done.

On that side note thing: sounds good about how you work but don't go gettin it done just cause someone told you to. Somehow I think you might not be 100% truthful in your statement anyway.
You have to be the guy in control and sometime you are going to have to say " no, not right now, not like this." I bet you know that too.
I remember when you posted your saddle and ask" is this safe to climb on?" I have a sneaking suspicion you knew that answer too but that is what I mean. What if someone told you to anchor to a clove a ball hitch?
I don't worry about you though, maybe a accident, but you guys are thorough and are together... oh and smart.

 

[ddhlakebound]

On a side note: the whole perfect treeman picking and choosing what he wants to do don't fly with me, I try to make the best of what I have to work with and never walk away from a job for the trees sake. The only answer anybody has for having to do a job that they know won't be perfect, "just walk away", well I won't. I have my opinions, but when the orders are given, I soldier up and get it done.

I agree with you 100% Nails.

For the tree sake, please..... Gimme a break.

What's next ? Tree rights, Vegetable rights. Kitchen cabinet rights?


The tree is an inanimate object that is a possession of the homeowner.
Whatever he wants done with it, gets done.
You do the best you can for him, and then get paid.

I never said anything about turning down the job for the sake of the tree. I'd turn down doing that for the sake of my reputation.

I know that in the long run, I'll make more money by refusing hack jobs, and building a client base that is interested in listening to and following good advice.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm to choosy, or picky, or whatever, but doing a hack job just because that's what the dumbass who owns the place wants, just to get paid isn't the way I want to operate.

I've had many, many trees where I had to make the best of bad situations due to major ice damage, I'd never walk away because it isn't going to be perfect. I've worked in too many trees that I wouldn't be proud to have seen, but I did the best I could for the tree in it's situation, and for the tree's owner, whether they knew it or not.

 

[reachtreeservi]

They ain't to inanimate when I am around. But still they move and I bet we humans are to stupid to understand their feelings.

Dan, Trees don't have feelings. They're wood.


Somehow I think you might not be 100% truthful in your statement .
I bet you know that too.

I have a sneaking suspicion you knew that answer too but that is what I mean. LOL

 

[Adkpk]

I never said anything about turning down the job for the sake of the tree. I'd turn down doing that for the sake of my reputation.

I know that in the long run, I'll make more money by refusing hack jobs, and building a client base that is interested in listening to and following good advice.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm to choosy, or picky, or whatever, but doing a hack job just because that's what the dumbass who owns the place wants, just to get paid isn't the way I want to operate.

I've had many, many trees where I had to make the best of bad situations due to major ice damage, I'd never walk away because it isn't going to be perfect. I've worked in too many trees that I wouldn't be proud to have seen, but I did the best I could for the tree in it's situation, and for the tree's owner, whether they knew it or not.

:agree2: Bravo, ddh. We too, get some pretty heinous request to plant landscapes. I won't be the guy responsible for following a customers request that all else will suffer from. But for sure someone else will. Just don't want it on my name. I'm still here and feel good about it.

 

[Nailsbeats]

On that side note thing: sounds good about how you work but don't go gettin it done just cause someone told you to. Somehow I think you might not be 100% truthful in your statement anyway.
You have to be the guy in control and sometime you are going to have to say " no, not right now, not like this." I bet you know that too.
I remember when you posted your saddle and ask" is this safe to climb on?" I have a sneaking suspicion you knew that answer too but that is what I mean. What if someone told you to anchor to a clove a ball hitch?
I don't worry about you though, maybe a accident, but you guys are thorough and are together... oh and smart.

That's exactly why I get it done, because my boss told me too. Like I said, I have my opinions, and am very capable of running the whole show, but I am no. 2, I voice certain things, when I am outranked I don't quit, I do what I am told. When I was younger I was liable to give someone a piece of my mind and quit (very strong, I mean very strong minded), thinking that proved something, but it doesn't do anything but separate you from helping the team, whether you agree with their direction or not.

I have been on the groundmen (brother, brother in law, dad, whoever) that I want hardhats on all of them when they are under me, it's safe, professional and a courtesy and I do the same for them. It didn't happen the first job, but I stay on them and have them thinking, it will come with time. I already switched the team over to new methods, and it's get on board or get left behind.

Yeah I was 100% truthful. About that saddle though, I didn't think it was safe, but wanted to see what AS'ers had to say. I would climb off that ball hitch all day, as long as the keys were in my pocket.

 

[B-Edwards]

I read somewhere that trees actually do let off some kind of reaction when they are harmed but for the life of me I cant remember where, I want to say ISA book.
I thought you did a great job except for not taking it all the way down but I am not criticizing you I know how the customer is. They think you are selling snake oil to mention proper pruning.

 

[treemandan]

Because they weren't doing anything Dan. Nice workboots! lol.

Actually, quite a pair of mules they are.